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Odds of hitting nothing/ high card? Odds of hitting nothing/ high card?

06-11-2017 , 02:00 PM
I thought that pre-flop my chances of getting just a high card are nearly 50%. So why is this trusted poker odds app showing that is is 17%?

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06-11-2017 , 02:59 PM
You can't have a high card when you start with a pair.
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06-11-2017 , 03:21 PM
Nice insight.
Yes. And also not when a pair hits the board.
So the odds of 17% of a high card are correct then?
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06-11-2017 , 03:24 PM
Technically correct but if a pair on the board is counted as having a pair then that obviously doesn't help you.
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06-11-2017 , 03:28 PM
Yes I understand.
So more than 80% of the time you pick up a hand whether it is on the board or in combination with the board. High percentage right?
Did you see my picture on imgur?
Do you use that odds calculator too? Do you think it is a good app?
What I like about it is that it does not show the winning chances (like most other apps, but also the probability of what hand you could me making.
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06-11-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerlvl9000
Do you use that odds calculator too? Do you think it is a good app?
What I like about it is that it does not [only] show the winning chances (like most other apps, but also the probability of what hand you could me making.
To be honest, the probability of making a certain hand is not all the useful to know, partly because most hands don't go to showdown (except maybe in play money games). Having an understanding of post-flop playability, or how often a hand will flop some equity is more useful. (Unless you're playing a short-stacked donkament, where all-in equity against shoving/calling ranges is all you need). For instance, I literally have no idea how often 65hh makes a flush, but I know it's a playable hand in BB vs CO, especially on 8h7h4c or 665r, but it's less playable UTG on a a flop of AKT with 3 spades.
Similarly, 65s will likely do better vs an UTG opener's range than A6o, even though A6o would destroy 65s in a series of races between the two hands.

As an addendum, that app might tell you that AA makes a flush less often than 92s does. But that information is useless. Flushes are pretty rare and 92s is a ****ty hand, whereas AA is the best by far. AA often wins unimproved, often without even seeing a flop.
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