Oh, and I'm thinking about adding 5 buy-ins (going from 20 to 25), and using the 5 buy-ins as a stop loss when deciding to play zone poker on a more regular basis. If I continue seeing poor play or experience any significant downswing, I'll bump it up 15 buy-ins until I have a nice br cushion.

As played, how's my line? Should I be shoving river or calling as played?

I'd rather raise and isolate pre but overlimping isn't that horrible.

Never shoving river. We'll never get called by worse and will be overplaying our hand.

His river sizing is a bit concerning but I don't think we can ever fold here.

My heart did sink when he raised. Results were a-okay though. I expect anything like 74 to raise the turn, and 65 I think would raise the turn also so I didn't think he'd have that. Considering he got a free look at the flop and has ATC's as well.

He turned up with 62o btw.
Just unsure if shoving would have him folding or what.

Psychohistory, for rush/Zoom etc is have a min of 30 BIs as bad sessions can go pretty bad unless you're good at quitting when ur not in your A game

Super small sample, but can I get a quick check on my stats so far at 25nl zoom? I'm still technically on a shot. Would like imput from guys like TDA, Dunna etc because they seem to be regs at this limit.



A lot of the bb/100 are skewed because of big pots in different positions.

u wot m8?
76%, 74% and 38% 4-way not good enough for you?

I didn't need to hit - none of them were even flips - no pairs.

Birdayy, I'd be 3betting a little more frequently at 25NL. You don't need to 3bet 13% of the time or something, but 3betting light once every so often wouldn't be too bad for your image. I tend to 3bet about 9 - 10% of hands, which is a combination of light 3-betting and value 3-betting. If I think somebody is likely to call me with KJs and I have KQo I might 3-bet them for value. Aside from that it all looks pretty good I'd say.


It would seem as though Pokerstars felt a bit bad for the few 90.9% hands that I had that lost, and proceeded to ship me the AA run-goot.







This was the VERY next hand.




Sick setup lol

Then there was this. Sorry, Villain. I didn't put you on the hand you had.

@Birdayy, general stats look ok altho obviously lolsamplesize.

3bet stats seem fine. I'd disagree with Oly that you need to turn into a 3betting maniac. At 25nl villains will generally know how to react better to 3bets so this may not be a good strategy. You're probably finding more villains flat you ip do you need to stay understanding their ranges more, and who folds to cbets etc. These reads are gonna take time.

Ur vpip is prob a touch high, but that could just be sample size, or just the style you play. Also if ur only cbetting a third of hands otr then you're probably getting there with too weak a range, and/or are double barelling too much.

@Birdayy, 3bet stats look absolutely fine, just make sure you're restealing slightly over 10% as part of that.

VPIP is also fine IMO (I play roughly the same VPIP/PFR), but you shouldn't be cbetting as often with a higher VPIP though this is likely slightly due to sample size.

I'd steal more from the BTN and probably fold more hands in UTG/MP.

Provided your W$SD goes up over 50 soon you're fine.

Thanks guys.

I thought anything > 50% is ok for a btn steal? It's currently at 54%

Yeah obviously it's hard to get an accurate depiction because of lol sample size, but yeah.

I'll try and tighten up EP/MP.

My BTN opening range is about 42%. You don't need to be completely loose on the BTN but as long as you can hand-read/play post flop it's not too bad to be as loose as the players in the blinds will allow. If people start 3-betting you just tighten up a bit, but players at the micros rarely adjust to people correctly, so being loose is okay. 25NL does have it's fair share of decent players though, so don't be surprised if you get 3bet light by some people every now and then.

Gamma, TDA, Dunna - thoughts ? This is from mid July.

I know I'm folding a lot to cbets, what else stands out ?



Graph in BB

Once you can defend the correct percentage of that range vs a standard 3bet then yea. Once you get over 50% though it becomes difficult to be defending correctly.

@ asriva
nice graff.
Everything looks pretty good from that but i'd have to see stats by position to be sure. Only thing is your barreling turn to often. Your turn cbet success is only 34%(should be in the 40s but that a function of mostly the player pool but your choice of barreling cards too, mine is roughly the same). So exploit people who don't fold by barreling a tighter range. I only made the same change a few weeks back for the exact same reason.

and like you said your fold to cbet is a tad high.

Position Stats


Considering my Flop Cbet is on the low side and Turn Cbet is high, am I making delayed cbets too much ?

People who dont fold to barrels, we should be betting second pairs more often right ? Edit - Or it could depend on the type of villain we choose to bet 2nd pair against, one wont ever fold top pair and the other wont ever fold a draw.

I only delay cbet if I have reads that a check mostly means my opponent is done with the hand, and if there's a turn card that either helps me or helps my range.
There's a lot of good cards to cbet, but some pretty terrible ones to cbet as well. I see so many people checking back a T64r flop and then betting on a Tr turn. Makes no sense since you would have bet the flop with TP anyway. You have to really pick your spots. Although your redline is flat which is great, so as long as you're getting that green line on the up and up I wouldn't be suddenly attempting anything different.

I actually use the whole "Would have cbet TP" thing to my advantage by checking back some TP hands at times. Lately I've been checking back some hands like A5 on Axx, which means that when I bet turn+river people will think I'm FOS and call with 2nd/3rd pair. Helps a lot in the long run.

LOL... why would someone let their son do this? And then allow it to get on the net?

At some point you just have to say no

The thing is I'm often going to xb, bet like 55 on T64T for a little thin value OTT so it's not too bad to have a delayed cbet range on that board, especially if a turn check from villain pretty much means A hi and nothing else ever (standard for a lot of players actually).

And FWIW I open about 67% on the BTN but I fold to a few too many 3bets readless in that spot (I fold to about 70%). Still, I think it's more profitable than a lower % because people are so bad OOP, my FT3B isn't all that exploitable (if they raise pot it's only about 5% off optimal) and once I get some hands on people I'm going to start 4betting a lot more and potentially defending more.

I check back top pair a decent amount of time when I have a weak kicker to induce bets on turn.

A couple of days back there was a discussion on RCE and its ideal value being 1-1.8. I'm at about 2.1, what does this signify ?

Most likely folding too much OTR, but potentially x/c'ing some spots where you should be vbetting, entering the river with too strong a range (i.e. folding too often earlier) or not raising for value enough. Or just running super-hot.

They knew that one day their epic moves would be used to signify the reaction of a poker player flopping the theoretical nuts.

@TDA: I'd somewhat do the same with 55 on T64/T, depending on opponents of course although I'm more likely to do it with something like 77 - 88 and possibly a 6X like A6 or 76 since there's less chances of being beaten. With 55 I'm more inclined to just get to showdown if possible.
The issue though is that the lolbad regs just think "Oh he checked so I'll bet my KJo because he'll fold his entire range". On such a turn card people rarely are folding unless they have absolute air that isn't ace high.

Its the former, not running hot. I checked my db for the year across NL2,5,10 total 160k hands, RCE is 2.4

Nah, cbetting the flop for value most of the time with 88-77. I don't think that's that bad of a thought process so long as they realise they're going to have to bet most rivers too, especially seeing as most of their bluff range probably is K-hi hands.