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11-05-2013 , 10:53 AM
@TDA, it's also really good if they call off w/ AK otf vs a shove, but would c/f turn unimproved if their flop cbet was called.
11-05-2013 , 05:44 PM
Any point cbetting???

Readless and no hands on villian, but seen as he flats the 4b gonna presume he isn't the best.

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20497431

    Hero (BTN): $19.34 (193.4 bb)
    SB: $9.18 (91.8 bb)
    BB: $10.39 (103.9 bb)
    UTG: $12.53 (125.3 bb)
    MP: $13.02 (130.2 bb)
    CO: $10.49 (104.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $3.45, BB calls $2.35

    Flop: ($6.95) 3 5 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero ?????




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    11-05-2013 , 06:25 PM
    i'd check back. We can cbet or worse Ax and Kx bluffs we have here
    11-05-2013 , 07:14 PM
    His range is going to be TT - QQ here, and possibly AQ. Since we block AQ there's more combos of mid-pairs for him to have than an Ax type hand. Checking gives you the option to play a smaller pot, While allowing you to possibly go to showdown against worse (he'll bet his overpairs on the turn when the flop checks back), while betting accomplishes nothing but fold out better.

    So yeah, I'd check and just fold to any bet unimproved.
    11-05-2013 , 07:19 PM
    fml rough session.
    -3BI to -2BI, basically down to 3 hands.

    First one, probably could have folded flop.
    But a 3b pot figured TP would be good a lot.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
    Hero (BB): $5.00
    UTG: $11.65 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
    MP: $7.60 (VPIP: 13.43, PFR: 8.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
    CO: $11.22 (VPIP: 31.67, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
    BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

    SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q K

    fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1.02, 2 players) 9 T K
    Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1.10

    Turn: ($4.22, 2 players) 7
    Hero checks, BTN bets $2.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.90 and is all-in

    River: ($10.02, 2 players) 2

    Spoiler:
    Hero shows Q K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 74%, Flop 27%, Turn 16%)
    BTN shows T K (Two Pair, Kings and Tens) (Pre 26%, Flop 73%, Turn 84%)
    BTN wins $9.60


    2nd just a bad beat by a total donk.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (CO): $5.16
    BTN: $7.35 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 32)
    SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 54)
    BB: $10.10 (VPIP: 23.84, PFR: 18.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.20, Hands: 349)
    UTG: $5.25 (VPIP: 18.42, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
    MP: $6.55 (VPIP: 54.84, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 32)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

    fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.25, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.82, BTN calls $0.57

    Flop: ($1.71, 2 players) 8 J 9
    Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

    Turn: ($4.21, 2 players) J
    Hero bets $3.09 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.09

    River: ($10.39, 2 players) K

    Spoiler:
    Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 68%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)
    BTN shows 9 K (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks) (Pre 32%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)
    BTN wins $9.96


    3rd one rivered again. Easy call pre vs this fish I think.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $7.01 (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 29)
    SB: $2.13 (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
    Hero (BB): $5.39
    UTG: $6.83 (VPIP: 9.30, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
    MP: $3.52 (VPIP: 26.42, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 54)
    CO: $7.25 (VPIP: 25.74, PFR: 18.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 139)

    SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

    fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB raises to $2.13 and is all-in, Hero raises to $4.16, fold

    Flop: ($4.36, 2 players) 4 2 4

    Turn: ($4.36, 2 players) 3

    River: ($4.36, 2 players) 6

    Spoiler:
    SB shows 6 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Fours) (Pre 20%, Flop 10%, Turn 14%)
    Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 80%, Flop 90%, Turn 86%)
    SB wins $4.18


    That happened pretty quickly and played ok after that.
    Still EV adjusted break even, actual -$12.

    Hero called here. I think they do this with the nuts and bluffs.
    Likely a bad call.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: $2.17 (VPIP: 11.70, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 99)
    BB: $11.52 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)
    UTG: $2.60 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
    MP: $5.00 (VPIP: 16.55, PFR: 11.51, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 142)
    CO: $16.49 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 44)
    Hero (BTN): $5.00

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A Q

    UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.47, 2 players) Q K 2
    UTG bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

    Turn: ($0.57, 2 players) J
    UTG bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

    River: ($0.67, 2 players) A
    UTG bets $2.30 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.30

    Spoiler:
    UTG shows A 9 (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 27%, Flop 1%, Turn 5%)
    Hero shows A Q (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 73%, Flop 99%, Turn 95%)
    Hero wins $5.05


    Crap like this happened quite often. Calling stations gotta call with live cards.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: $3.88 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
    CO: $3.91 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
    Hero (BTN): $5.27
    SB: $5.25 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

    CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, fold, CO calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.97, 2 players) 6 5 7
    CO checks, Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.37, 2 players) A
    CO checks, Hero checks

    River: ($2.37, 2 players) 3
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Spoiler:
    CO shows T A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 95%)
    Hero mucks K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 5%)
    CO wins $2.27


    Strange hand. Seems I was ahead when I folded
    Want to play with CO more often...

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: $5.15 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 17.89, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 97)
    UTG: $5.19 (VPIP: 35.80, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 85)
    Hero (MP): $7.71
    CO: $2.40 (VPIP: 59.09, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
    BTN: $5.18 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
    SB: $4.24 (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 4 4

    fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, SB calls $0.13, fold

    Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) 2 5 J
    SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

    Turn: ($0.50, 3 players) 8
    SB bets $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.20

    River: ($0.90, 2 players) Q
    SB checks, CO bets $2.05 and is all-in, SB calls $2.05

    Spoiler:
    CO shows 6 3 (High Card, Queen) (Pre 37%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)
    SB shows Q T (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 63%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)
    SB wins $4.79
    11-05-2013 , 07:56 PM
    Just played live. Won 150bb. Mostly from a guy bluff-shoving the turn against my flopped top set.
    11-05-2013 , 08:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gamma001
    i'd check back. We can cbet or worse Ax and Kx bluffs we have here
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OlyBrah
    His range is going to be TT - QQ here, and possibly AQ. Since we block AQ there's more combos of mid-pairs for him to have than an Ax type hand. Checking gives you the option to play a smaller pot, While allowing you to possibly go to showdown against worse (he'll bet his overpairs on the turn when the flop checks back), while betting accomplishes nothing but fold out better.

    So yeah, I'd check and just fold to any bet unimproved.
    Yah, agree, just most players will bet turn when I check back the flop with anything (albeit any hand in a 4b flatting range except maybe AK is ahead of me on this board) and kinda puts me in one of those well he knows i've got AK spots haha
    11-05-2013 , 08:42 PM
    If that happens often check back strong hands on dry boards in 4bet pots IP since the money can still go in over 2 streets(preferable AA since its harder to get drawn out on).
    11-05-2013 , 09:33 PM
    Would any BQ regs be interested in a cash game session against each other? Kinda similar idea to the CR Thousandth Vid.

    Could be 2nl or play money and we can post interesting hands later.
    11-05-2013 , 10:09 PM
    Studebaker:

    H1: Fold flop. If he's defending KTs, he'd be defending hands like T9s, QJo, so on so forth. People at the microstakes aren't likely to get out of line with a medium strength hand in a 3bet pot. If you had of checked, and he shoved, I might call since a lot of people go "Oh, 3bet pot, he checked he must be weak, I'm all in!"

    KJ isn't going to raise the flop. The only thing you beat which would make your line okay would be AQ/AJ with a flush draw, but that's a small amount of hands that you beat. He could easily have TT, 99, KT, T9, or QJ. Fold, and pick a better spot.

    The rest of the hands just look like people playing poorly against you and binking. So chin up, and keep grinding.

    That hero call is a bit iffy, IMO. It makes sense for him to have Ax here, but I'd expect him to have Tx here a fair bit too. It's iffy. NH though.



    Birdayy, I wouldn't mind doing something similar with play money. I'd do it at 2NL but since my roll is currently in my bank account, yeah. We've got the Home Game on Pstars too, so could always use that.
    11-05-2013 , 11:05 PM
    Yeah, definitely up for it. Play money only really, can't use stake money and it's impossible to segregate.
    11-06-2013 , 12:00 AM
    I'm up as well.
    11-06-2013 , 12:49 AM
    Do you guys think it's a huge leak to isolate the same range you would open with?
    Say it folds to us on the button, we have K6o and we open, should we just be folding if a fish limps ahead of us? What if we have a hand like 65s?
    11-06-2013 , 12:52 AM
    Ok. We can set up a shaboo table.

    What day/time is good for most of you guys?

    Time zones will make things a pain.
    11-06-2013 , 03:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdayy
    Ok. We can set up a shaboo table.

    What day/time is good for most of you guys?

    Time zones will make things a pain.
    I'd be up for it.

    GMT evenings and weekends best for me as I work

    @Olybrah, iso with hands that can make TP, so K6o probably, 65s not so much
    11-06-2013 , 03:03 AM
    Would 65s be something we could limp behind, or is it best to take the reg-line and fold?
    11-06-2013 , 03:18 AM
    Could we do it in 6 hours? @Oly, that's 11pm for you, 9pm for me and 1pm for GMT (GMT evening is super bad for australians dunna)
    11-06-2013 , 03:19 AM
    If I'm available I'll join in. If not you guys might have to find a 6th man, or play 5 handed.
    11-06-2013 , 05:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdayy
    Could we do it in 6 hours? @Oly, that's 11pm for you, 9pm for me and 1pm for GMT (GMT evening is super bad for australians dunna)
    No probs mate, if you do one on a weekend gimme a shout
    11-06-2013 , 05:40 AM
    Semi-down for this
    11-06-2013 , 05:43 AM
    I could do that, I'm at home a lot at the moment (UK time) but might be out at 13:00 today.
    Evenings are generally fine.
    11-06-2013 , 05:45 AM
    Do any of you guys have experience with Cake poker? Considering moving my Bankroll to there, since 36% rakeback just sounds... lovely.
    11-06-2013 , 05:55 AM
    All you guys in the shamboo home game?

    Will setup 4 tables at the time stated above.
    11-06-2013 , 02:31 PM
    Frustrating day

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20522371

      Hero (BTN): $50.79 (203.2 bb)
      SB: $32.49 (130 bb)
      BB: $11.38 (45.5 bb)
      UTG: $11.95 (47.8 bb)
      MP: $65.51 (262 bb)
      CO: $50.69 (202.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.85) 7 T 5 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

      Turn: ($9.85) 7 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $6.75, MP calls $6.75

      River: ($23.35) 5 (2 players)
      MP bets $14.60, Hero calls $14.60

      Spoiler:
      Results: $52.55 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: 7 T 5 7 5
      Hero mucked K K and lost (-$26.10 net)
      MP showed 5 8 and won $50.55 ($24.45 net)



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        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20522381

        BTN: $39.22 (156.9 bb)
        SB: $38.86 (155.4 bb)
        BB: $26.95 (107.8 bb)
        UTG: $56.31 (225.2 bb)
        Hero (MP): $26.71 (106.8 bb)
        CO: $82.76 (331 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
        UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $1

        Flop: ($3.35) J 9 T (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $2.40, UTG calls $2.40

        Turn: ($8.15) 3 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $4.25, UTG calls $4.25

        River: ($16.65) 7 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero checks

        Spoiler:
        Results: $16.65 pot ($0.75 rake)
        Final Board: J 9 T 3 7
        UTG showed 8 8 and won $15.90 ($7.75 net)
        Hero mucked K J and lost (-$8.15 net)



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          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20522401

          BTN: $36.51 (146 bb)
          SB: $25 (100 bb)
          BB: $25 (100 bb)
          UTG: $63.73 (254.9 bb)
          Hero (MP): $30.28 (121.1 bb)
          CO: $40.68 (162.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with K J
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

          Flop: ($1.60) K 8 6 (2 players)
          BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50

          Turn: ($5.60) 9 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $3.88, BB calls $3.88

          River: ($13.36) 7 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero checks

          Spoiler:
          Results: $13.36 pot ($0.60 rake)
          Final Board: K 8 6 9 7
          BB showed A 5 and won $12.76 ($6.13 net)
          Hero mucked K J and lost (-$6.63 net)



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          11-06-2013 , 03:14 PM
          Can someone tell me how I should have played this please, as after the session I've just had I'm questioning all things poker

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20528021

            BTN: $46.63 (186.5 bb)
            SB: $30.53 (122.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
            UTG: $23.90 (95.6 bb)
            MP: $15.82 (63.3 bb)
            CO: $31.73 (126.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
            UTG raises to $0.50, MP folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG folds, CO calls $2

            Flop: ($5.60) J T J (2 players)
            Hero bets $3.75, CO calls $3.75

            Turn: ($13.10) 8 (2 players)
            Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

            River: ($27.10) 9 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $11.75, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $27.10 pot ($1.22 rake)
            Final Board: J T J 8 9
            Hero mucked A A and lost (-$13.25 net)
            CO mucked and won $25.88 ($12.63 net)



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