@Olly - I called because what he did just made no sense and I had blockers etc. It doesn't take many combos of bluffs (or stuff like AQ) to make this a call anyway if his range is TT-QQ. He had QQ.

If he's flatting AA or KK there then he's making a pretty big mistake against me, if 4betting/flatting QQ & JJ that's a pretty bad mistake, especially if he jams none K/A high flops all the time. If he has stuff like 99 in his range then I'd just be widening my value range. So the information was always going to turn out pretty useful.

cheers lads i called and he had A6o lol.

@ MMSS

It can be frustrating when people do stupid **** like that. But its exactly that, stupid. they are making the mistake, they lose vs your calling range. Don't make it not a mistake by calling with A high.

It's noted now obviously, I think against a random it's quite close though tbh for the reasons I've said. Maybe it is always JJ & QQ, but I think assuming that with no sample is a pretty huge adjustment to be making.

It's a good example of level 1 thinking at the micros. "I have an overpair, how could I possibly lose in this 5bet pot?"

I've found these exploits to be what makes people so profitable at these stakes. I was a bit frustrated the other day when a few people called 3bets with 22 - 55 OOP and binked a set vs. my AA, but them calling those hands OOP to 3bets gives me instant-profits, so #yolo.






Flop call is debatable. Getting pretty good odds though, especially to the min-raise. I had 32% equity on the flop so the call is profitable (it looks like).

But this is still a huge problem for me, chasing draws I shouldn't be chasing. I'm blowing money out the wazoo because of it.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
MP: $6.72 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: $3.08
Hero (BTN): $4.30
SB: $5.00 (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: $6.63 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 6 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) Q 3 T
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

River: ($1.22, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, fold

What do you guys think of this 3 barrel semi-bluff? I was going with my read that he had a FD, it was a timing tell, he took pretty long to call the turn, while on the flop he was calling within a few seconds.

Maybe a check on the turn would've been better, seeing that I have a little bit of SDV now, but maybe I got him to lay down a better pair this way.

Any thoughts?

I personally use timing tells too but i would normally interpret that to be Tx hands more than flush hands given your bet size, so maybe the river bet folds out some Tx hands i can't see him folding any Kx, Qx hands

First time participating in this thread. Just returned to online poker in September.

[ ] Improve 4-betting line
[ ] (Will add more goals as I think of them)

4-betting line - I haven't found a line I like yet where I can include 4-bet bluffs. Currently vs preflop 3-bets: IP = fold or flat, OOP = fold or shove (<- Also for multiway pots). I'm still lost for a good flop line after I 4-bet OOP.

I am assuming you meant 'check on the river'. You have no SDV on the turn.

You said you 'read him for a FD'. Given that read: What are you hoping to fold / get called by on the river? Why do you think villian will fold / call?

4-bet bluffing isn't something you should do often at all.
Out of the 5 most recent hands I've 4bet, only one has been a bluff (while a second has been a semi-bluff).

Example:





He 3bet very quickly, made me believe it was a bluff. Had blockers to Ax as well, so it's unlikely he has a hand like AQ or something. If he did have AQ I might even be able to throw him off of it.

Then this hand which was turned into a semi-bluff.





My line looks extremely nutted. Again the same situation, CO open BTN 3bets, which is usually the most common spots for light 3bets. The 3-bettor was from Germany, so I expect him to be competent. Not really too keen on stacking off with 99 here, but I highly doubt I'm going to be played back at here considering how strong my line looks.

But honestly, you don't need to 4b bluff too frequently at all.

Sorry, yeah of course i meant river

H1: I don't think it's horrible but the 3b quickly timing tell i wouldn't go by.
H2: I'd say people light 3b alot more in the blinds as opposed to BTN. What are the stats of CO + BTN? I'm not a huge fan of H2 as it is, no blockers + i assuming your 4b folding?

In that situation wth 99 id be inclined to just fold. I'd cold 4bet something like ATs+ JJ+ KQs. 99 is just to hard to play OOP when called.

H1: People have different timing tells. I took the risk with this person quickly 3-betting. I've found that multi-tabling nits will 3-bet quickly with strong hands since they take focus from their other tables to look at the one where they have AA or something.

H2: 4bet/folding, of course. I'd honestly expect BTN to fold some TT hands here, and possibly strong Ax hands. If he was from Russia or something I'd play it differently (no offense Russians, but you guys can't fold), but since he was from Germany, and 3-betting to a decent size, I figured he was at least a decent player for these stakes and fold fairly frequently.

No stats on either of the hands, with any of the players. I've started not using a hud again since I've found myself getting caught up in stats, and leveling myself because of them. "Oh, this player 3b's 12% of the time, so when I 4bet I can stack off with JJ here" or something. I've found myself playing better without a hud, so yeah.

This isn't correct thinking fwiw. Just because someone 3b's 12% doesn't mean they stack off with 12%.

In for Nov.

October goals

* too depressing to go over again

Nov. Goals

[ ] get more coaching from Splitsuit
[ ] start grinding to Thailand goals thread
[ ] move up to 50nl

I think around 10NL you should start to consider 4betting light a lot more.

Something I'm a little confused about is how we calculate a balanced 4b range with the assumption that we're 100bb deep and villain never calls a 4b (let's assume we're IP). Is the bet size for working out our bluff:value ratio what we actually bet or 100bb (what villain has to commit to continue)? I'm tending towards the latter which allows us to have a ton of bluffs relatively but I'm not sure our 4b/c range is wide enough in that case?

first time posting, hopefully it will motivate me.

Poker goals
[]30k hands
[]be more active in 2+2
[]Read one poker book

Life goals
[]do well in final exams

18.5/16.1/10.5

Goals:
Just play and have fun. I hope I will not fail.

If I was to record a session, possibly with some commentary so my thoughts during a hand are clear, would anyone be interested in going over it for review?

in, gl guys i'll try contribute a bit more this time round

yeh i'd be happy to oly

+1
i would be interested, too.

Will definitely review.

Sweet.
I'll try to get it done within the next week. Gotta get a microphone and stuff so ya. I'll post it here when done.

@Olybrah, I'd take a look. Having done similar, if you're recording a session make it less than 30 mins and make sure the resolution is ok to see the HUD stats, and you're not playing too many tables.

Here's my Oct graph



Pretty pleased the move to 25nl Zoom seems to have stuck (for now at least). As you can see, did well at the start, then had a nasty downswing coupled with a little tilt, but recovering ok for now.

Goals for November:
[ ] Play more A game
[ ] Recognise when I'm not playing A game much quicker and act on it
[ ] Work on new concepts where needed, eg check/calling ranges
[ ] Continue at 25nl

Played 1000 hands yesterday, which is a lot in one day for me.

Kicking myself about this hand, guy is a nit. Easy fold to his shove, probably pre tbh.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $5.48
MP: $17.30 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 24.07, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 54)
CO: $1.31 (VPIP: 70.59, PFR: 31.37, 3Bet Preflop: 26.32, Hands: 54)
BTN: $4.99
SB: $7.57 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 47)
BB: $5.97 (VPIP: 13.72, PFR: 11.19, 3Bet Preflop: 3.88, Hands: 282)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.02, 2 players) 7 6 7
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.22, 2 players) 8
BB bets $4.87 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.38 and is all-in

River: ($10.98, 2 players) A



Am guessing this fish backed into a flush.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $5.32
UTG: $6.63 (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: $2.00 (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 50)
CO: $6.17
BTN: $7.09 (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 16.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 122)
SB: $8.17 (VPIP: 16.75, PFR: 13.30, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 205)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 6

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12, 2 players) A 9 3
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.32, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.32, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.25, UTG raises to $1.30, fold



Have been value betting more rivers as suggested. And getting called!

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.58 (VPIP: 57.50, PFR: 27.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 40)
UTG: $15.70 (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 16.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 236)
Hero (CO): $5.79
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 36.36, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 11)
SB: $5.33 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 80)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 K

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 3 T K
BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.72, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.72, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BB calls $0.35



And another.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.13 (VPIP: 23.02, PFR: 21.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 131)
BTN: $2.53 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 60.00, Hands: 12)
SB: $2.36 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): $8.32
UTG: $5.09

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K J

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) 9 6 K
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.70, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $0.35, BTN calls $0.35



Interedasting. Don't see I'm getting any folds from a 97/3 fish when the board misses my range and he could have anything.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.97 (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 26.42, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 53)
SB: $6.07 (VPIP: 97.06, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (UTG): $5.50
MP: $7.05 (VPIP: 14.83, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.27, Hands: 322)
CO: $7.48 (VPIP: 19.88, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 167)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q A

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.13, fold

Flop: ($0.35, 2 players) 9 2 7
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.35, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero checks



Anyway, after talking about red lines in last month's thread, I seem to have managed a flat red line for 1k hands.
Shame about the green line.

[IMG]http://s8.************/914wkts7p/1_Nov13.png[/IMG]

The above EV jump is AKs > JJ aipf, so meh.

Going to have to review to find out why - stats seem similar, maybe it's just a few more river vbets thrown in.