Hi-im not a complete novice but am fairly new to the game of PLO-Ijust signed up @ Stan James cos of the rakeback deal-but ive played at a table for over an hour of 0.25/0.50 plo 6 handed.Fairly standard with one or two fools playing every hand but nothing new.One guy though hardly played a pot but was tight agressive and generaly had it if he played the hand.In this hand-were fairly deep i had 340 and he had 310.i raised with Kh KcQcJh-folded to the very tight player....who raised from small blind...folded back to me-i decided to raise again pot(probably wrong)he flat called.Flop comes Ks 2d 2h rainbow.Bingo.Full house only losing to pocket twos which he probably doesnt have.i lead for 1/4 pot he raises virtually all in and i put him all in.Turns over 3h 4h 7d 9d....turn comes 6 h and you guessed it on the river the 5 h.Now im not stupid i understand its a drawing game and you can get outdrawn etc but is this normal-the guy hadnt hardly played a hand and for him ship nearly 350 dollars with 9 high no draws is unreal.Its even started me thinking was it a bot i hear about all the time?Any thoughts or is it normal

I'm no PLO expert (by any stretch of the imagination), but... here he hit runner-runner for a straight flush - a very very unlikely outcome.

Looks like he was just bluffing with the terrible flush draw and backdoor flush draw as backup and just hit super lucky.

Certainly not a bot - unless somehow can predict the board cards. Unlucky for you though.

Thanks goth-i just got unlucky i guess-just got a bit paranoid cos no one in there right minds could bluff pre and then when i bet keep bluffing cos he had no fold equity by then.Put it down to one of them things and hope i play the fool again!!

Why would you think that's a bot? He needed perfect-perfect to win. Bots don't play that poorly.

It is very unlikely that you have KK, and also unlikely that you have a 2. Which means that most of the time you are probably going to fold to a large raise. Your preflop action suggests you might have AA, and a lot of people would fold with AA there. It was a high risk play by him, and he just got very lucky.

With this type of play you should not be concerned that it is a bot. You could be concerned it is a superuser (someone who knows what cards are coming) - but that is very unlikely. Nobody can program a bot to shove all in with about a 1/2500 chance of winning.

1/4 pot cbet looks like a bluff, he tried to bluff you off your hand and ended up having to call with his junk because he was pot committed.


Things happen. PLO50 600BBs deep probably isn't the best place to start out with PLO, though.

thanks for comments-re the last one-although i said im just starting out at PLO - i have played for a quite a long time and ground up through the stakes to have the roll to play there-i havent just gone to them stakes.
Secondly-to the guy that said why i thought it was a bot?wrong term i used the term i was thinking of was superuser as someonoe mentioned lower in the thread-my mistake.

PLO BRM is pretty different from NLHE BRM. Because it's a variance filled game, you need a much bigger roll to stay safe. A decent NLHE roll is 20 buyins, a decent PLO roll is 100 buyins.

As played, no one is betting AA there on the flop only to fold to a cr after sticking a third of their stack in. That would be ambitious thinking by the sb.

It was a tough beat, yeah, but nowhere near a 1/2500 (especially since the worst draw is 1/990).

This. Sounds like Villain may be a good PLO player thinking levels above Hero.

Sounds sexy, but doesn't compute. What hand puts in a third pot-size raise preflop only to bet 1/4 pot and fold to a check raise on K22r instead of checking back?

Also, we're missing a bit of positional information on OP.

Let's not get carried away. It's 1 in 903 to happen here. That's the worst possible postflop beat, perfect perfect dealt from 43 unknowns (in hold'em it's 1 in 990 from 45 unknowns).

As for the first - 600+ BB deep, and I don't know exactly how much got in preflop - some people are folding rather than losing 2/3 of their stack. And most of the time on a paired board they are probably behind. I'd say most of the time I see that scenario - it is the guy shoving who hit KK, and the guy with AA thinking that he has to call. But either way, I'm pretty sure that is what the bluffer was hoping. As for the 2500 - I was just throwing out a big number for runner runner perfect. Definitely incorrect.

The point is no hand is ever betting 1/4 pot and folding to a check raise; they would check back instead of doing that. A 1/4 pot bet in a 4-bet pot on that board isn't weak looking - it's suspicious.

Yeah, we know what he was thinking. Lots of people jam air and then come up with a bs answer to justify it.

Isn't it better than that since he can has 3 cards he can hit on the turn to set up his perfect river?

You're right, he could have made it with A and 5 also. It's (3/43 * 1/42) or 1 in 602.

Now calculate it in Omaha instead of Pineapple

Long day?

I guess you and I play in very different types of PLO games.

Regardless, I didn't mean to put that forth as the only possibility -- just one possibility. Villain could just as easily be a donk trying to make a move.

Oh, and to OP, definitely not a bot. Bots don't make creative plays or big bluffs.