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nifty little money saving trick made just for 2nl nifty little money saving trick made just for 2nl

06-14-2008 , 01:07 PM
Ok you know how the books say you should keep your bet sizes the same wether you are bluffing or value betting. Well thats great advice if other people at the table have a pulse. Anyway when bluffing or semi bluffing on the flop i frequently make my bluffs and semi bluffs smaller then a value bet with a real hand. example the pot has .20 in it. When i value bet i bet 17-20 cents but if i semi bluff i make the bet 12-14 cents. This sounds like bad play and honestly it is but the thing is they hardly ever catch on
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06-14-2008 , 02:41 PM
It would be better if you vbet less and bluff bet more imo. People at 2NL don't fold, so why give them a good price on the flop when they are more than capable of calling with any pair. If you don't double barrel bluff, then I don't see this begin all that profitable. bigger bet = more FE, which is what you want when you are bluffing. I would still make it the same size though as when you are vbetting.

Also, determining bet sizes based specifically on the strength of your hand is a major leak, and until you learn how to proplerly bet size, I would recommend just keeping them consistent.
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06-14-2008 , 04:09 PM
You can deffinitely get away with a more straight forward stragety at 2NL. However, each level is slightly different and you will need to figure out how to play each one as you move up. Obviously don't change your game immediately when you move up, but make small adjustments as you figure them out. For example, I cbet like crazy when I played 2-5NL, but this wasn't nearly as effective at 25NL.

When you value bet, you really just need to make a bet that you think will be called. A lot of factors will go into figuring out what size to make it. If you think you can get away with betting big and tricking them into thinking you're bluffing, that's fine. But as a general rule your value bets should price callers into seeing your hand.

Value betting is tricky because you never really know if you made the right size bet. If you get called you always think you could have bet more. If they fold, you think you bet too much, but really they might not have called anything.
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06-14-2008 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by noidea555
It would be better if you vbet less and bluff bet more imo. People at 2NL don't fold, so why give them a good price on the flop when they are more than capable of calling with any pair.
This is like the worst statement ever.


A: People Don't Fold ---------> So -------->

B: Bet more when you have no hand and bet less when you have a good hand

C: What?






Value betting bigger when they call a lot and don't notice bet sizing changes is obviously good. C-betting less without a hand when they don't notice bet sizing changes is obviously good. Also if they call a whole ton than don't c-bet some boards that you would against other people.
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06-14-2008 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Shick
You can deffinitely get away with a more straight forward stragety at 2NL. However, each level is slightly different and you will need to figure out how to play each one as you move up. Obviously don't change your game immediately when you move up, but make small adjustments as you figure them out. For example, I cbet like crazy when I played 2-5NL, but this wasn't nearly as effective at 25NL.

When you value bet, you really just need to make a bet that you think will be called. A lot of factors will go into figuring out what size to make it. If you think you can get away with betting big and tricking them into thinking you're bluffing, that's fine. But as a general rule your value bets should price callers into seeing your hand.

Value betting is tricky because you never really know if you made the right size bet. If you get called you always think you could have bet more. If they fold, you think you bet too much, but really they might not have called anything.

re: ce betting at 25nl vs 2nl/5nl- this is so true. I find that when i play 5nl u can usually pick it up on the flop after raising pre( assuming they missed) yet at 25nl you alot of times have to fire more than one bullet when bluffing because you get cbet called with ANYTHING waiting for you to check turn so they can bluff
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06-15-2008 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
This is like the worst statement ever.


A: People Don't Fold ---------> So -------->

B: Bet more when you have no hand and bet less when you have a good hand

C: What?






Value betting bigger when they call a lot and don't notice bet sizing changes is obviously good. C-betting less without a hand when they don't notice bet sizing changes is obviously good. Also if they call a whole ton than don't c-bet some boards that you would against other people.
I stated that I would keep my cbets the same size at 2NL regardless of my holding, however if I couldn't, I would prefer to do it the opposite way that OP was suggesting. My reasoning for this is that if I have a hand without showdown value, I do not want my cbet to be called, so therefore I would make it larger. By making a small cbet, you are obviously giving yourself a better price on taking the pot down, but you also open yourself up to getting called by literally atc that villain decided were adequate to play pf. And by vbetting smaller, you are obviously going to get called down by many mediocre hands.

That being said, I think that basing your bet sizes based on your cards alone is pretty bad in general; I was merely saying that if I did have to base bet sizing solely on my cards, I like the visa-versa option to OP's suggestion.

At 2NL, if you're going to cbet, just make it a 4/5psb, and leave it at that.
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06-15-2008 , 03:08 PM
Betting more when bluffing and less when valuebetting into people who call a lot and don't notice different sized bets is pretty bad.
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