Okay, so there are guys calling raises and 3 bets preflop every hand with like Q5o for example.

They then play those hands all the way to the river when it's like 5-handed on A72o flops with no draw or overcards. It's so stupid what these idiots will go to the river with.

And I thought I was bad at poker...

The whole damn night was like that with every hand. After rake and tips, is this ridiculous game beatable because I heard 4/8 limit wasn't...

you have to move up to 10000/20000 to make a profit worth earning in limit holdem.

If you can't beat what sounds like the greatest game in the world then maybe take up chess

A game like that is certainly beatable, but winrates are nowhere close to where you might think they are because at the end of the night the vast majority of money is in the pockets of the casino, dealers and waitresses.

When people say 4/8 limit is not beatable, they usually mean “nor beatable for a significant hourly rate”. It’s a game that only attracts non-serious players because there’s no real money to make no matter how good you are. If you want to go to the casino to have a good time and want to lose your money to the house instead of other players, you play 4/8 limit. That’s obviously even more true for 2/4 limit that usually has the same rake structure.

I don't play limit so whatever, but I thought the old rule of thumb win rate for crushing LHE was 2 big bets an hour...can someone beat a super soft 4/8 for $16 an hour, or is that a pipe dream?

I won $140 in one hand.

Five players called me on the river when I had a set. Five players called me down on all five streets. It's just so sick.

I play 1/3 with a kill limit poker in my local casino....It is the only game within 125 miles.

The three "secrets" to playing against loose players (5 to the flop games) is:

1. Play YOUR tight range. It is boring poker as you are folding...often. Preflop just play nutting hands but position is still VERY important. In a game with few raises PF and 6 to the flop, you can play SLIGHTLY wider.....but, while 87s is a GREAT hand on the button, learn to toss it PF from early AND middle positions.

2. The Miller/Sklansky book is still The Bible for this type of game.

3.. And REALLY the heart of the limit game:: Understand the math behind the gain AND! use it to your advantage. Draw to a nuttish hand if you have the correct odds. Q5 suited hardly ever is the nuts by the river. So fold a 4 flop on the flop? NO! Fold it pre-flop.

(bonus "secret"....forget about the increased odds you gain when there is a High Hand promotion....it will only get you off your tight PF range and give you a feeling it is OK to chase.)

Remember, with live limit play in a casino, you will need to make a hand by the river. Good luck bluffing a guy off his TPGK...it WON'T happen.

Forgot to add.....

Someone will always be chasing against you. AND YOU WILL GET SUCKED OUT ON THE RIVER more times than you feel is "fair".

Advice: get used to it. If you really think about it, villain likely only made ONE mistake somewhere along the line. One call he shouldn't have because the odds. BUT after that, he was playing correct limit poker.

I dont play limit poker but think about this.
Someone who is playing Horrendous theory is often making mathematically correct calls = not the kind of game I want to play.
Poker is basically about punishing people for making Incorrect decisions
It would seem there is way to much "forgivence" in limit.

This is basically what I know of limit hold em. Play tight preflop and don't fold postflop.

From what I have seen in a variety of locations in the States, a number of those playing the $2/4 and $4/8 LHE games are there to grind comps, not make money to put into their pockets when cashing out. They don't care if they sit for hours and don't walk out with huge profits. They ALSO know they won't be losing much while they milk the comps to the extent possible. Some are also there for various other bonuses, again knowing that it won't cost them much to do so...

I have also seen many who sat to kill time whilst waiting for a NLHE seat to open...they would rather sit and get a few comp dollars than they would sit doing nothing (or worse, pissing money away in the pits).

How is losing hundreds of dollars worth the fraction of that money in comps worth it to them?

The easy response to this is.... they are not losing hundreds. (like me, I don't lose at an unbeatable game (1/3 kill)...but I don't win much either. It is however, the only game in town)

Nobody is losing hundreds of dollars in those kinds of games during an average session. Players play low stakes limit because that’s something that doesn’t happen there on the regular.

They go for entertainment value (even though it often doesn’t look like it) and play the game where they lose the smallest amount of money on average.

It would appear that because you had a single hand with a triple digit win that you believe everyone sitting is losing 'hundreds of dollars.' That is generally not occurring, as others already noted.

The players in the game may not be making a lot but they also are not there with a goal of making their house payment from playing death by a thousand papercuts, err low stakes limit hold'em.

You ALSO appear to hold the mistaken belief that everyone sitting at a table is there to make tons of money on an hourly basis. Some are simply there to have a good time. Some are there to milk the comps that come from sitting at the game and, in doing so, seek to play a game that tends not to see large swings. In the grand scheme, they don't care if they win $20 or if they lose $20. Many at the table were also apt to have been older and don't have to worry about finances...which brings us back to the social element of the game (something lost on too many of the kids today).

What OP described was every single 4/8 limit game in Vegas in 2004

1 big bet (or two big blinds) per hour used to be considered a strong win rate. Unless there is a kill, I would be dubious about anyone making more than $10/hour in a 4/8 game.

OK cool TY