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My plan for going robusto (v1.0). Advice needed My plan for going robusto (v1.0). Advice needed

07-08-2008 , 08:34 AM
Hello,
I'm beginner player who is hoping to get decent and to move up to higher stakes. I have been reading 2+2 a lot, but that's my first post. I have recently read a great post made by fees called "Fees guide to going robusto" and I will try to write the plan for myself and guidelines for the next year.

My background:
I play NL25 and took a shot in NL50, but I suffered from tilt, so I'm moving down even if i have safe bankroll ~1500, I also play HU SNGs, mostly 22-33s turbos and I enjoy both cash and HU SNGs. The only books I've read is all little books by Phil Gordon and Full Tilt tournament strategy guide.

My plan:

Games -
I'm going to play HU SNGs and 6max NL. When I have big enough bankroll, I will add HU cash. I will throw in some 9man SNGs or MTTs sometimes if I get tired of grinding.

Game and site selection
Because I live in Europe, I'm going to take advantage of this and I think I will play 6max NL and HU cash in ongame, betfair, ladbrokes and boss media a lot, but I probably will continue to play HU SNGs on full tilt or bodog.

I will not use any game selection software except sharkscope for HU SNGs.I will write down the worst cash game players' names and I will try to sit down with them everytime I see them.

Software
I will use pokertracker 2 or 3 for tracking my results , but I won't use any HUD software following fees advice. I will also use pokerstove and stoxpoker programs.

Bankroll management
30 buyins for level that I am playing, 50 buyins for FTP turbo HU SNGs and HU cash, I have been following BM advices all the time, so this won't be a problem for me. Bankroll requirements will grow when I move up.

Tilt
This is serious problem for me. I'm calm person generally but I tend to be very angry in some situations. My personal experience tells me that it is very important to recognize tilt quickly and once you do that you start to play better. Everyone reading this thread please post links to good articles/discussions about tilt.

Learning tools
session reviews - I need to review every cash session I've played
training sites - I have membership at pokersavvy+ and stoxpoker. 1 video per day would be good for me.
coaching - I'm planning to get some coaching as I progress.
2+2 - Content in stickies is great.
Hand history posting - I will post hand histories on stoxpoker or deuces cracked forums, becuase I think people there are more willing to learn or improve and the quality of answers will be higher in those forums. This learning tool is great, but I am not confident about the quality advice I receive, any thoughts?

Life managament
Eating well, working out, getting good rest. I think this really helps to play better poker and be more focused when you play. I enjoy cycling and swimming so that's probably what I'll do.

Multitabling
I won't play more than 4 tables following fees advice and I will focus on making reads and using notes.

Guidelines:
1. I should not visit NVG, BBV,BBV4life, poker related sites, because that only consume my time and I start to visit 2+2 and read ******ed threads when I do not want to play after good session.
2. Either I play poker, read strategy or do some poker related training, or I don't use computer. Reading news, sport articles, blogs and watching stupid **** on YouTube is a waste of time. If I don't spend time playing poker, I should work out, meet friends or just relax.
3. Grind!!!
4. Never forget poker training.

That's all and I will update my plan as the time goes. English is only third language to me, so please point out errors what I've made. Everyone reading this thread, especially solid winning players please post your general thoughts, ideas about tilt, learning tools and what do you need to become successful.

TheSuperuser.
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07-08-2008 , 10:08 AM
Good luck. After reading Fees guide, I've started to rethink the way that I play. I'm in the same boat as you and looking to move up in stakes the right way.
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07-08-2008 , 10:31 AM
I think the part about not browsing any forums/reading news/youtube etc. is a bit too much. I mean, if you enjoy it (any who doesn't?), why not carry on doing it?

I think the main thing to learn is that if you are playing poker, you should be focusing on playing poker, not have the TV on, or a browser window open surfing away. It just draws you away from the tables, you lose information and start making mistakes.

This lead to a great session for me last night using Fee's advice. I stuck my iPod in my ears, zoned out with some nice relaxing Kings of Leon on and focused on the poker. I've heard some people say that music can also be detrimental to your conversation, but I find if you've heard something enough and enjoy it a lot, it shouldn't be more than background sound.
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07-08-2008 , 11:08 AM
Nice man. Your english seems pretty good actually. gl.
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07-08-2008 , 02:04 PM
Nice plan sir, if you stick to it you will sure get results.

One additional advice from me is focusing more on table/game-selection than what you said in your post. Table selection is IMO the most critical success factor in being a winning player. If you most of the time plays lesser capable players than yourself, then you will be a long time winner - regardless of levels.

I join tables with at least two fishes and leave as soon as one or two of them are leaving.

Gl at the tables.
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07-08-2008 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Bird
I think the part about not browsing any forums/reading news/youtube etc. is a bit too much. I mean, if you enjoy it (any who doesn't?), why not carry on doing it?
I feel like reading BBV, NVG is just wasting time to me. Some threads/posts are funny and interesting, but most of them are ******ed. It's a rule for myself.
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07-08-2008 , 06:48 PM
Good luck, keep us posted on your results, it sounds like you got a great gameplan.
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07-08-2008 , 11:09 PM
tell you what... you gonna get up limits soon... you have a great attitude... some what like mine so you gonna do well... gl m8
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07-09-2008 , 01:08 AM
GL OP, I'm kind of in the same boat I guess I should search for Fee's guide.

I have a 2K roll and I'm basically doing the same thing you are.

Keep us posted.
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07-09-2008 , 03:53 PM
OK I just took a shot in NL50 and lost 3+ buyins in 158 hands. Here are the hands:

HAND #1

0.25/0.50 6 handed

Stacks:
UTG (87.30$)
UTG+1 (63.55$)
CU (50.50$)
BU (60.30$)
SB (109.59$)
Hero (49.50$)

Preflop:
Dealt to hero QQ
UTG - raises to 1.75 $
UTG+1 - calls 1.75$
CU - raises to 4.50$
BU - calls 4.50$
SB - folds
Hero - moves all-in for 49.50 $
UTG - folds
UTG+1 - folds
CU - calls 45$
BU folds

Board is: 492j3
CU shows AK

HAND #2

0.25/0.50 6 handed
Stacks:
UTG (263.83$)
UTG+1 (65.85$)
Hero (71.90$)
BU (24.75$)
SB (33.05$)
BB (49.00$)

Preflop
Dealt to hero 9A
UTG - folds
UTG+1 - folds
Hero - raises to 1.75$
BU - folds
SB - reraises to 2.75$
BB - folds
Hero - calls 1$

Flop( pot is 6.50$) : A9K
SB - bets 1$
Hero - raises to 5.25$
SB - reraises to 11.00$
Hero - goes all in for 63.65$
SB - calls
Turn : 9
River : 5

SB shows AA

HAND #3

0.25/0.50 6 handed
Stacks:
UTG (45.25$)
CU (50.00$)
BU (68.11$)
SB (50.80$)
Hero (56.90$)

Preflop
Dealt to hero KA
UTG - raises to 1.75$
CU - folds
BU - folds
SB - folds
Hero - raises to 6.25$
UTG calls 4.5$

Flop(pot is 12.75$): J3K
Hero bets 9$
UTG calls 9$

Turn(pot is 30.75$):2
Hero bets 19.99 $
UTG moves all in for 30.00$
Hero calls 10.01$
River: 5

UTG shows: JJ

I still have 28 buyins for NL50, but I dunno if I will continue to play this limit. Anyway my goal for this month is to get my roll to 2500-3000$, enough for 50 HU NL cash. I think I will play HU SNGs about 75% of my time and 6max NL cash for remaining 25%. I will really try to put many hours into game study/ watching training videos. I will post update after this month.

Last edited by TheSuperuser; 07-09-2008 at 03:55 PM. Reason: mistakes
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07-09-2008 , 04:00 PM
Hand 1: Why push all-in here? The only hands that call you here (most of the time) are AA, KK, QQ possibly JJ and AK. The range for your opponents calling you here is really limited to AA, KK and AK. So at best you are a coin-flip. There is too much strength shown by the players and unless you have stats on em or great reads then this is a c/f or just fold pre-flop.

Hand 2: A9o is marginal hand to begin with and especially facing a rr. You should fold after you get re-raised pre flop. Facing a re-raise on that board your opponent is not going to push all in with QQ, JJ, AQ, AJ, meaning in most situations you are beat.

Focus on each of your decision post-flop. Don't always push hands. Pushing with that much behind you is only going to be called down by hands that beat you most of the time.

GL.
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07-09-2008 , 05:17 PM
I wouldn't get down too bad on those hands.

Hand 1 - lost a flip, oh well.

Hand 2 - you have to remember he 3bet you preflop. After the raise on the flop, he either has AA, KK, AK and A 9 is like never good there.

Hand 3 - generally try not to stack off with TPTK against someone who was definitely calling to see a flop, not terrible play though but you can work on it.

imo i think 28 BI is more than enough for 50NL. 100NL is where you need to start padding your roll more.

keep logging hands and keep your head up. gl mate.
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07-09-2008 , 05:44 PM
Just for some BankRoll Advice:

Ring Games 45-55 Buy-in's

SNG's 65-100 Buy-in's

HU or 6 Max SNG's At least 100 Buy-in's

MTT 125 Buy-in's
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07-09-2008 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSuperuser
OK I just took a shot in NL50 and lost 3+ buyins in 158 hands. Here are the hands:

HAND #1 Dont Like the Fact you pushed all in here, Two in at $4.50 already maybe someone could of had KK or AA, Call the $4.50 & see the flop first. If you put $5-$8 out on the flop & still get called it is safe to say AA or KK & stop betting.

0.25/0.50 6 handed

Stacks:
UTG (87.30$)
UTG+1 (63.55$)
CU (50.50$)
BU (60.30$)
SB (109.59$)
Hero (49.50$)

Preflop:
Dealt to hero QQ
UTG - raises to 1.75 $
UTG+1 - calls 1.75$
CU - raises to 4.50$
BU - calls 4.50$
SB - folds
Hero - moves all-in for 49.50 $
UTG - folds
UTG+1 - folds
CU - calls 45$
BU folds

Board is: 492j3
CU shows AK

HAND #2 You took a stab here at the blinds, it did not hurt to call the $1, after the flop came it was hard to get away from this hand unless you had your man on AK KK. Again I did not like your raise of $5.25 why not $2.50? Then when you were re-poped you may have thought about AK or trips. But like I said hard hand to get away from after the flop.
0.25/0.50 6 handed
Stacks:
UTG (263.83$)
UTG+1 (65.85$)
Hero (71.90$)
BU (24.75$)
SB (33.05$)
BB (49.00$)

Preflop
Dealt to hero 9A
UTG - folds
UTG+1 - folds
Hero - raises to 1.75$
BU - folds
SB - reraises to 2.75$
BB - folds
Hero - calls 1$

Flop( pot is 6.50$) : A9K
SB - bets 1$
Hero - raises to 5.25$
SB - reraises to 11.00$
Hero - goes all in for 63.65$
SB - calls
Turn : 9
River : 5

SB shows AA

HAND #3 A UTG Raise for the most part says he has a strong hand, you were going to raise anyway because you had a playable strong hand as well. UTG did it for you, so why raise more? Call and see the flop. This guy only raised $1.75 on his jacks pre flop, look at the first hand with your queens, you had $47 in pre flop with 2 $4.50 raises in front of you.
0.25/0.50 6 handed
Stacks:
UTG (45.25$)
CU (50.00$)
BU (68.11$)
SB (50.80$)
Hero (56.90$)

Preflop
Dealt to hero KA
UTG - raises to 1.75$
CU - folds
BU - folds
SB - folds
Hero - raises to 6.25$
UTG calls 4.5$

Flop(pot is 12.75$): J3K
Hero bets 9$
UTG calls 9$

Turn(pot is 30.75$):2
Hero bets 19.99 $
UTG moves all in for 30.00$
Hero calls 10.01$
River: 5

UTG shows: JJ

I still have 28 buyins for NL50, but I dunno if I will continue to play this limit. Anyway my goal for this month is to get my roll to 2500-3000$, enough for 50 HU NL cash. I think I will play HU SNGs about 75% of my time and 6max NL cash for remaining 25%. I will really try to put many hours into game study/ watching training videos. I will post update after this month.
My advice would be to stop betting so high and trying to get all your chips in the pot in a hurry. If you went to the casino & played $5 blackjack & bought in for $50 would your first wager be $5 or $50? Try and grind it out more and you will be ok.
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07-10-2008 , 03:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago RED
Just for some BankRoll Advice:

Ring Games 45-55 Buy-in's

SNG's 65-100 Buy-in's

HU or 6 Max SNG's At least 100 Buy-in's

MTT 125 Buy-in's
This is way too high on low limits for cash and HU SNGs. You should have 200 buyins for your average MTT buyin.
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07-10-2008 , 03:22 AM
20-30 BIs for cash games

100 BIs for SnGs (I advocate 40+ but step down if you go on a losing streak, you'll be fine)

100 BIs for MTTs
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09-21-2008 , 09:25 AM
yo gl OP, i've just been through a stage of changing the way i think about poker etc, so im taking the journey from 50nl with you!

just wanted to say with the A9 hand its not bad to fold pf imo, you feel like an idiot but i'd just let that kinda stuff go. if you have 9Ts or something its much better to be calling with that
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09-21-2008 , 10:01 AM
chicago red not meaning to be rude but to me your advice seems terrible.

Hand 1: nh standard bl.
Hand 2: this one sucks. A lot of the droolers at this level only min-3bet with hands like AA or KK, so i think you have to fold to his reraise on the flop.

Hand 3: standard, don't even think about folding TPTK in a 3bet pot on that flop, and there's no reason why you shouldn't 3bet with the intentions to get it in preflop.
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09-21-2008 , 10:32 AM
Wait, can someone explain why it's a good idea to flat a 3bet with QQ when someone else already has? Especially with the idea of "seeing a flop". I am definitely not folding, and calling seems really bad. I am 4betting that every time and I'm ok with shoving every once in a while if it makes it look like AK, I've seen people look me up with way worse there. If you call, with one behind, this could be potentially a 4 way 3bet pot.
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09-21-2008 , 01:26 PM
also lol @ chicago red's advice, wtf?
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