*THREAD TITLE CHANGE* **MOST PROFITABLE HAND**

Hi guys I have a bet with my friend and we're talking about the most winning hand in poker with showdown, without showdown, taking it down preflop and getting no action etc..

I say its Aces, my friend disagrees with me he says no because he feels people over commit and over value with their Aces and end up losing big pots when facing aggression and getting outdrawn and losing at showdown or calling off too weak and losing to big hands like sets, 2 pairs, flushes, etc. Every single time you play Aces.

I say by a long shot Aces are the top money maker in any and every single players database for the most part over a large enough sample, Followed by KK and QQ, maybe AKs in there some where, But thats another story.

Can anyone back me up with facts? Or back my friends view up?

AA

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QFT

my pt3 says 99 is my most profitable, up 93 million in mtt chips, prob means i just won a flip at some massive ft

AA, and it's not even close

Yes I say the same my friend doesn't agree and wanted to bet.

Ask anyone with a poker tracker database of 10,000+ hands to post their results (the more hands the better of course).

It's always AA.

Hey guys, I am said friend.

Please keep in mind this is not which hand wins the most percentage of the time, this is money won/lost by each individual hand when the hand wins/loses, factoring in each individual pot. So while a nl10 player may win nine one dollar pots with AA and lose one ten or twenty dollar pot or his whole stack, over the 10hands he lost money. I also understand people with PT and the mental ability to fold AA to huge 3 bets on scary boards, while a scrub who has no idea what PT is can't wait to rejam AA on a QK9 three flush board (off suit from his AA) and is often prone to losing his whole stack. Obviously a seasoned grinder with PT would understand this is no good considering board texture.

The old phrase "you win small and lose big" comes to mind.

I frequently see bad players (majority of poker players lose money and are bad), stack off in poor spots with AA and get little value against good players when he's actually ahead.

Just one view of it.

I think it's probably KK, mainly for mathematical/scientific reasons but also because statistically you are more likely to be dealt KK (more likely opponents hold a lone Ace)

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AA ... followed by KK, QQ, JJ (and I think in my database AKs is next and then TT) ... I haven't looked at this in over a year but that's what I think it was.

Crap didn't see this was beginners forum sorry. The answer is AA. Look at anyones PTR over a fair sample size it will be AA unless they are horrifically misplaying their hands.

I disagree and would like mathematical proof. Over the course of every hand factoring in every scrub player I don't see how some other hand that has more drawing value in deep stack play (89 suited, etc) doesn't earn the most profit on average factoring every hand every player of every site has played. I see way too often the scrub lose his entire stack with AA in a spot that is a simple fold in deep stack play. The majority of sharks make their money off of people with the inability to fold these types of hands when they catch up with a two pair or even better, and exploit villains inability to make said fold.

So while the top/profitable players may get more dollar value out of AA, I would assume AA to be a detriment in deep stack play for the weak player because they will never fold when beat and will in turn lose their whole stack in most cases.

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You are too busy focusing on the incorrect "win a small pot lose a big pot" line of thinking. For one... you are not thinking about just how often AA wins those small and medium pots... which is a huge amount of the time. Also, you are forgetting the large number of times where you get it in for 100bbs with KK, QQ, AK etc.... or the people that stack off against your AA with hands like KQ on a K75 board. AA and KK really make up a monster part of pretty much everyone's winnings.. simply because they win pots so often.

Interesting. Is there any site like pokerlistings that can confirm something like this? While I agree with that line of thinking, I would still love to see an article really going in depth about this.

What about legit players getting bluffed off their AA post flop on a scary board for a big or even small pot? What about the times they actually get it in good and get sucked out on by a 3 flush, etc?

AA

Hm. Doubt that there is an article about this. It's just too obvious to anybody who has played a decent ammount of hands and has a db.


Doesnt matter in the long run.

We know that. The answer is still:

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For one:
http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker...stats-by-card/

EV of Aces is way higher than anything else. They win 40% more money than KK, and almost double QQ, and almost triple JJ. Stats are from 122 million cash game hands on the old pokerroom.com, counting all stakes and all players.

Sometimes the obvious answer is correct.

FFS, what do you mean you want this confirmed? You just asked a bunch of poker players, we all have our own databases and we all know which hand wins most money. And stop telling us why AA can lose a large amount, we all know about that as well, it happens to us all every single day.

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This is like me going onto a soccer fansite and asking which player scores more often, goalies or strikers. And then posting another dozen times with things like 'but people don't expect goalies to take a shot, so they defend less well' and 'can another site confirm this for me?'.

Even if you're blind and hit the raise button randomly you will make profit with AA

LOL @ all the semi pros running their mouths... any of you care to play heads up hit me through the PM.

A bunch of wanna bes in here.

Troll status confirmed.

And how is YOUR pt relevant to a losing players PT? Idiotic statement. I would hope a winning player such as yourself can fold AA when its behind. Losing players (the majority of the poker world) can't and don't.

In that case, as a losing player, perhaps you would care to submit YOUR database as evidence?