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03-23-2010 , 11:44 AM
OK, I am looking for comments on how this hand was played.
I do realize that the pre-flop call is questionable (at best) but felt that I needed to defend my BB as a table image issue and that I was not too likely to be dominated with the position and bet size of the pre-flop raiser.

Somehow, I feel like there was more money to be made in this hand and that I failed to maximize my profit.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $4.15
UTG+1: $2.94
UTG+2: $2.89
MP1: $0.85
MP2: $2.41
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.00
SB: $5.77
Hero (BB): $1.88

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T 9
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.08, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) K J K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.41) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

River: ($0.41) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.17, MP1 calls $0.17

Final Pot: $0.75
MP1 mucks A Q
Hero shows T 9 (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero wins $0.75

I would appreciate input.
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03-23-2010 , 11:55 AM
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I do realize that the pre-flop call is questionable (at best) but felt that I needed to defend my BB as a table image issue
No "table image" issues at 2NL. If you want to justify a call, that's fine, but don't use "table image issues" as a reason.

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and that I was not too likely to be dominated with the position and bet size of the pre-flop raiser.
perhaps, but you're probably behind.

If he had a bigger stack, then I'd definitely call, but in this case i'd probably just fold.


As played, you can bet the turn but check is fine. If you check, you need to bet 3/4 pot here and not less than half pot.
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03-23-2010 , 12:04 PM
You can value bet a lot bigger on the river. I'm actually happy just jamming it.
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03-23-2010 , 12:07 PM
Buy in full. Don't worry about table image for a while. I would fold this pf also. As played bet the turn and the river. Should be betting more also like 80% pot
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03-23-2010 , 12:11 PM
Thanks for the response.

Yes, I was aware I was likely behind pre-flop and post-flop.

Perhaps "table image" was the wrong choice of wording.

While I can see your point in regards to "potential justification" and 2NL having no table images, I to some extent disagree. I am not multi-tabling and while many of my opponents are, I search to see which are and which are not (thus giving some clue as to who is paying less attention). I am also conscious of how many hands I am playing and how strongly I have played them, so that if nothing else, I am projecting a table image (regardless of whether anyone notices).

Pre-flop I chose to call because a couple of players had started to come after my blinds again. Post-flop I was getting the right odds to call.

Thanks again for the response.
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03-23-2010 , 12:14 PM
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Pre-flop I chose to call because a couple of players had started to come after my blinds again.

Then start 3betting the people coming after your blinds. Don't call with a medium strength hand OOP against a early position raiser who only has 40bb.
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03-23-2010 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sambo707
Then start 3betting the people coming after your blinds. Don't call with a medium strength hand OOP against a early position raiser who only has 40bb.
Good point.
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03-23-2010 , 12:16 PM
I don't mind the call PF at this level as long as your opponent is full stacked and you have the confidence to outplay them.
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03-23-2010 , 12:44 PM
Fold pre

if u call, raise the flop, bet the turn and shove the river.
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03-23-2010 , 05:48 PM
I fold pre-flop and as played check/shove the flop.
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03-23-2010 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
I don't mind the call PF at this level as long as your opponent is full stacked and you have the confidence to outplay them.
This is a bad habit to get into at 2NL. One very common leak many beginners have is playing suited connectors OOP without the initiative. It's better to get the fundamentals down and do the outplaying later.

Basically any time you justify a play with "I know it's bad now, but I can outplay 'em later", you probably shouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by sambo707
Then start 3betting the people coming after your blinds. Don't call with a medium strength hand OOP against a early position raiser who only has 40bb.
This. 3-betting is far better than flat calling.

Except don't 3-bet light at 2NL, it's not necessary and you will outplay yourself doing so. 2NLers do not fold often enough to make light 3-betting worthwhile. They will flat your 3-bets way too often leaving you with a speculative hand in a bloated pot.
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03-23-2010 , 07:13 PM
I would either 3-bet light here (depending on the HUD of villian) or fold. The only way to just flat call this hand in the BB would be if there were two callers to the raiser.
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03-24-2010 , 01:24 AM
Thanks again for the responses. The raiser had shown down numerous non-premium hands and as noted above (and at some point acknowledged), 3betting him would have been a much better play.
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03-24-2010 , 02:01 AM
I agree you played this hand bad. Calling a raise preflop was very questionable considering you only had 85 cent infront of you. I slightly agree with the call on the flop but i would perfer a raise 3bet.
You called the flop bet hoping to get a streight or a flush (I am assuming)
When you actually made the hand (streight) you should have value bet it, if you thought he had KJ or KQ than obv you shouldnt have called the flop.
As the hand was played there was no reason why you shouldnt have value bet the queen so
bet 15-20c on Turn (prolly would have gotten a call) ,
shove river (prolly would have gotten a call).
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