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03-04-2011 , 07:09 PM

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anguyen92

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For me I would min raise when the average stack is under 20 bb and that the blinds have low stacks because there is no point making 2.5 since there's a good chance it's going all-in pre and if not then I basically saved some chips post-flop when it is not all-in but it is still effective to pick up the blinds and antes if everyone folded.

sorry if I basically mimic your post color.

Didn't see it.

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03-04-2011 , 07:46 PM

#27

old_boy

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lol@racener in your avatar.

i minraise (bad players @uNL) when i have the nuts and someone bets into me and he has NO air but he wouldnt call a proper value raise. especially on the river. only when i am sure about these 2 factors.

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03-05-2011 , 12:34 AM

#28

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Yep I completely agree.

Then why did you state it is a good idea when people are less inclined to shove/fold? Perhaps you just mistyped that?

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03-05-2011 , 12:44 AM

#29

Icheckforvalue

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 527

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Originally Posted by ajrenni

Minbets and minraises are usually bad ideas because whatever you are trying to accomplish could be accomplished much better with a larger raise. For example, if you are trying to get value, minraising when Villain would call a larger raise means that you missed value. When you are bluffing, if Villain will call your minraise but would fold to a bigger raise, minraising totally defeats your purpose.

However, if you are bluffing and Villain will take the same action regardless of your raise size, then a minraise doesn’t work against you and will save you $ when Villain turns out to be at the top of his range. Or when you are going for value, if Villain will in fact fold to a bigger raise but call a minraise, then the minraise is superior. Just be careful not to underestimate how big a raise Villain will call. A lot of the time people minraise or minbet because they think that it’s the only way to keep Villain in the hand. It’s the same logic that keeps people from getting enough value on the river. Let yourself be surprised by the bad calls that Villains make.

+1

Yeah, that about sums it up. From my experience, i generally see it from weak players who are desperately trying to extract value out of their better hands. It is usually a big warning sign, at any point in the hand, when you bet and get min raised.

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03-05-2011 , 12:49 AM

#30

DrFreddyChang

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 31

A min three bet on the other hand has its place,,, the old 'click back' (warning: advanced move)

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03-05-2011 , 01:19 AM

#31

otatop

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Anything but minraising in the late game of tournaments when stacks are super shallow is burning money, imo.

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03-05-2011 , 01:24 AM

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Maso777

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I min raise in HU super turbos all the time. This is special circumstance since the play is very shallow. You start at 25bb and it goes down from there each time the blinds increase.

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03-05-2011 , 06:23 AM

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Exothermic

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1. if villain respects a minbet the same or even more than a 3-4x raise hence min raising turns vs 2+2ers is a cheap way to bluff as there like zomg a minraise ott he must have it!!

2. if stacks dictate that a minraise is best, basically vs shallow stacks to setup turn or river shoves and get call from a wider range otf or turn

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03-05-2011 , 06:26 AM

#34

Stevee.be

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I very rarely minraise, I hate it

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03-05-2011 , 06:32 AM

#35

AGS21

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Originally Posted by TBobLP

Then why did you state it is a good idea when people are less inclined to shove/fold? Perhaps you just mistyped that?

damn dude why are you always such a smartass d!ck on here?

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03-05-2011 , 11:03 AM

#36

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by AGS21

damn dude why are you always such a smartass d!ck on here?

What are you talking about? He mentions that minraising is good when people are less inclined to push/fold and then agrees that its good when people are more inclined to push/fold in a diff post...so asking for an explanation of the first post makes me a dick? Maybe you should realize that I'm just trying to help/understand what's being said. I am in good standing here with many forum regs as well as mods so I'm pretty sure they don't all think of me as a dick. Its a strat thread, I'm not going to add fluff to my responses and questions

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03-05-2011 , 02:43 PM

#37

CandyKreep

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Late stages/HU in a turbo sng

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03-05-2011 , 03:18 PM

#38

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

To answer the question:

If you are opening up in late pos against a player(s) that are gonna push / fold, all you need to do is min-raise to get them to fold, and if they push on you then you will either fold and get off cheaply (rather than shoving your KQ into their AQ) or you will call w/ your monster since you are opening up the same with KK / AA / etc. as you are lesser hands.

If someone has a wide opening range and has already opened and then you come in over the top, they are going to push the top of their range and fold the marginal hands, so again you don't need to shove or 3-bet deep here.

Also, some people like to focus on fold equity in SnGs and MTTs but you just have to recognize that against some players your fold equity will always be close to zero and adjust accordingly.

Simply playing shove/fold strategy "against certain opponents" is not optimum IMO.

Ldo

But that wasn't my question lol just nm

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