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Milk it or Take it? TPTK + Nut Flush draw Milk it or Take it? TPTK + Nut Flush draw

10-20-2008 , 02:00 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: $10.00
Hero (MP2): $12.50
CO: $14.80
BTN: $4.00
SB: $9.50
BB: $10.95
UTG: $4.05
UTG+1: $9.80

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with K A
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) 6 K 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG folds

Final Pot: $1.25
Hero mucks K A
Hero wins $1.20
(Rake: $0.05)

Both of my opponents had VPs inbetween 50 and 60 so they had poor cards yet I did see one of them hold on to a pocket pair only to reveal a set on the river. I thought that I should just bet big to take the pot.
I did have a strong hand which could have later became a beast of a hand, would it be better of me to extract value here, say bet 5 big blinds instead?
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10-20-2008 , 02:11 PM
Milk it imo, You had them beat no matter what most likely. Even if they were set mining, you're still a favorite here. Keep them in the hand at all costs, even if that means a delayed c-bet.
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10-20-2008 , 02:18 PM
Raise $0.50 pre (4BB+1 per limper, especially if you have opponents with VPIP of 50-60).

Definitively cbet this most of the time (we want to get it in here, if possible).

Otherwise, nh. You could have cbet slightly smaller but that is almost being results-oriented (I think players with 50-60 VPIP will chase here often--you were just unlucky they didn't catch any piece.)
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10-20-2008 , 04:06 PM
I'd probably have raised 50 cents pre-flop ... maybe a little more given I assume the villains you describe call a lot and aren't that affected by an extra big blind or two.


As is ... $1 would be 80% of the pot. Pretty standard bet. I'd have bet somewhere $0.90 to $1.



Sometimes people fold when you have a good hand.
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10-20-2008 , 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Systolic
Keep them in the hand at all costs, even if that means a delayed c-bet.
If we wanna keep them in the hand at all costs than just check it down.




It does us no good if they stay in the hand if they don't put money in the pot.


Bet the flop just like you always do (hopefully you would be betting this flop nearly always with like 90% of your range ... maybe sometimes not like 99-QQ, maybe a few other things sometimes).
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10-20-2008 , 05:14 PM
I usually bet 2/3 to 3/4 of pot in this spot, so perhaps a little smaller. But I wouldn't check the flop with 2 others in the pot, so I wouldn't fault your play here at all.
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10-20-2008 , 05:16 PM
Value value value, TPTK Nut draw, build that pot
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10-20-2008 , 06:11 PM
Raise about 50 cents preflop. On the flop I'd bet half pot maybe. You are doing great in this hand. Reevaluate on the turn. Good luck, Yojimgari
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10-20-2008 , 07:35 PM
Well played.
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10-20-2008 , 10:19 PM
preflop 4x bb +1 bb for every caller.

edit:
postflop bet a little bit in the pot... maybe half or 2/3

Last edited by brokekid; 10-20-2008 at 10:25 PM.
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10-21-2008 , 12:57 AM
I truley hate losing too much with TPTK and will 99.9% c-bet it. With Nut flush redraw I might consider giving a card or lowering my bet, but I just hate losing with TPTK, so I am not usually going to milk it. I don't mind letting people know that I am willing to bet with TPTK, because when I am holding a better hand later I can get some additional action from an oppenent who puts me on TPTK and can beat it. Besides if you are playing "right" you are almost always c-betting, so it usually does not mean too much to villians.
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10-21-2008 , 01:19 PM
Alright I will make avlue bet next time I have this against a similar opponent but if I hit TPTK but not a flush draw I shall always try to take the pot as it stands.
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10-21-2008 , 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut Juice
but if I hit TPTK but not a flush draw I shall always try to take the pot as it stands.

If that means that you'll value-bet than ok.
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10-21-2008 , 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut Juice
Alright I will make avlue bet next time I have this against a similar opponent but if I hit TPTK but not a flush draw I shall always try to take the pot as it stands.
You try to push people off their hands with TPTK? You should be trying to extract value.
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10-21-2008 , 03:53 PM
I can't slowplay hands that good. Come out guns blazing imo.
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10-21-2008 , 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzerthebruzer
You try to push people off their hands with TPTK? You should be trying to extract value.
Thats right I dont like dominating someone only for them to have their kicker turn into trips on the river.
Its funny because I often get told off for not betting my top pair with a pot sized bet.
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10-21-2008 , 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut Juice
Thats right I dont like dominating someone only for them to have their kicker turn into trips on the river.
Its funny because I often get told off for not betting my top pair with a pot sized bet.
Their kicker would just turn into two pair.

Okay, here's a scenario

Say the flop is $100 (preflop doesn't really matter), you have AK, and the board comes K53r, he checks to you and you bet $75, if he calls with KQ he's got 3 outs against you (3 Q's)

He has roughly a 7% chance to hit one of those queens on the turn, and 7% chance to hit one on the river, (you also have 7% chance to hit A's on turn/river).

So when you bet $75, you make $69.75 ($75*0.93) for every time he sees a turn card with KQ vs. your AK, as opposed to $0 when he folds. This is all extremely subjective but you get the gist of it.

Edit: Trying to fold out hands when you dominate them is pretty weak.
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10-21-2008 , 06:41 PM
I see no reason to bet more than 1/2 pot here. That will give them apparently good odds to call but not the right odds for their range of hands which are likely way behind.

And think of all the turn cards that can kill your action completely. A heart, A or K or even Q will scare of underpairs. And you know here the best heart they can have is a Q.

Besides your bet in position after being checked to is not a strong, scare away bet since players in position can bet a flop like that with a lot of hands.
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10-21-2008 , 07:49 PM
can't build a pot without betting. theres no point in not betting and letting them catch up potentially. just bet and safe yourself some headaches later on
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10-21-2008 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PantsOnFire
I see no reason to bet more than 1/2 pot here. That will give them apparently good odds to call but not the right odds for their range of hands which are likely way behind.
I don't agree with this. People at this level don't notice the difference between 1/2 pot bets and 3/4 pot bets. And even if they did, I still wouldn't bet 1/2 pot.

You're pretty deep and people stack off really light at these levels, so build the pot.
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10-22-2008 , 12:45 AM
Bet dude. Please don't check your monsters in hopes of keeping people in the pot.
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