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07-04-2008 , 02:44 PM

#26

Terremoto

adept

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 751

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Originally Posted by Zydo

For me it's all about the table dynamics. If I have a bunch of nits left to act it's an insta raise, vs a couple of calling stations then it's a fold.

If you're UTG and there are a bunch of nits left to act, it's time to find another table, imo.

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07-04-2008 , 03:15 PM

#27

Terremoto

adept

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 751

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Originally Posted by jontsef

you shouldn't play anything UTG in a full ring NL game. many a good person lost their house that way.

That's why you should only bet your garage w/AA UTG...

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07-04-2008 , 05:53 PM

#28

Zydo

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 108

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If you're UTG and there are a bunch of nits left to act, it's time to find another table, imo.

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Anywho, in a nutshell, I want tighties to my left and fish, calling stations, lags, maniacs and loosies to my right. I focus more on getting position to the right of the above mentioned players than I do on getting tags in a position where I can steal my blinds because Im more likely to be playing most of my hands against the fish, lags and maniacs and when I playing Im often looking to isolate and exploit them.

Guess I'm not the only one who wants tags and nits to my left.....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...he+left+of+you

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07-04-2008 , 11:11 PM

#29

Moya

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 816

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Originally Posted by Pobedonstev

I think AJo is better than 90% of hands (just got a new computer without stove) so we are hoping to have a better hand than the rest of the table if we're raising for value. The odds of no one having a better hand than AJo are (.9)^8 = .43

So every time you raise AJo UTG in a FR game, you'll be OOP and against a better hand

Can someone please explain this maths to me?

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07-05-2008 , 01:07 AM

#30

Terremoto

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 751

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Originally Posted by Zydo

Guess I'm not the only one who wants tags and nits to my left.....

LOL... You missed my subtle point, that if you're UTG, the entire table is left to act.

Although I agree, it is preferred to have tight players to your left and loose players to your right.

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07-05-2008 , 01:53 PM

#31

Pobedonstev

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 735

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Originally Posted by Moya

Can someone please explain this maths to me?

AJo is better than 90% of hands which sounds pretty good in a full ring game of poker, right?

WRONG. We have a 90% chance of having a hand better than any single player, but there are 8 other people who have two cards in front of them, and you need to beat ALL of them in order for it to be +ev. So the odds of us beating every other hand at the table is .9^8 (8 being the number of players of course)

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07-05-2008 , 02:15 PM

#32

breathweapon

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,198

Just raise AQo +, you can't lose a lot of $ from mucking AJs, ATs and KQs UTG, but you can lose a lot of $ from playing 'em, AQo + is a monster because TV has turned AK and QQ into a 3bet for 99% of the donks out there.

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07-05-2008 , 02:17 PM

#33

teampursuit

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 124

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Originally Posted by Pobedonstev

Well, it isn't quite this cut-and-dried. When you hold AJ, then some of the hands that beat you (e.g. JJ, superior Aces) are less likely because you're holding an A and a J. But OTOH, the big blind also is priced in to call with much worse and OOP, so that changes things, too.

There is an excellent article in this month's 2+2 magazine about the fallacy of considering mererly hot and cold equity when assessing starting hand value.

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07-05-2008 , 02:27 PM

#34

Cruzerthebruzer

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,622

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Originally Posted by breathweapon

AQo + is a monster because TV has turned AK and QQ into a 3bet for 99% of the donks out there.

What?

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07-05-2008 , 02:54 PM

#35

breathweapon

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,198

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Originally Posted by Cruzerthebruzer

What?

TV has turned AK and QQ into default 3betting hands, so AQ can fold to a 3bet post-flop and can bet, bet, bet post-flop since people don't call with AK and QQ.
I'm not saying 3betting AK and QQ is bad, I'm saying people don't balance their ranges or vary their play, so when you raise AQo the hand plays itself.

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07-06-2008 , 12:02 AM

#36

boscoboy

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,473

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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River

Fold.

this

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