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02-18-2019 , 08:11 PM

Spacerat65

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my plan:

buy hold em manager, put $50 in America cardroom account, start playing nl2 see how good I do. I plan to play 2-4 hours everyday in one hour increments then review so basically 2-4 sessions a day with review.

My fear is that everyone says bots at acr wpn and nl2 is difficult. I'd like to think I can use 2+2 and my mind to at least kinda win. So are they beatable, hardly, if so with how much effort talent?

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02-18-2019 , 08:37 PM

MMSS

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Very beatable. Just not necessarily by new players trying to learn to get better. So you may have to put up with losing even though you are doing the right things to get better.

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02-18-2019 , 09:24 PM

kvnd

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absolutely. Here are my stats on ACR 2nl and 5nl, with a lot of suboptimal play and occasional spews as a player who is still learning

https://imgur.com/a/Zptcbze

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02-18-2019 , 10:02 PM

Spacerat65

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Originally Posted by kvnd

absolutely. Here are my stats on ACR 2nl and 5nl, with a lot of suboptimal play and occasional spews as a player who is still learning

https://imgur.com/a/Zptcbze

Wow good stuff 5/100bb is pretty good rate. Do you suspect bots at any of your tables, how good are the regs?

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Very beatable. Just not necessarily by new players trying to learn to get better. So you may have to put up with losing even though you are doing the right things to get better.

Will definitely keep this in mind during my study.

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02-18-2019 , 11:33 PM

kvnd

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Originally Posted by Spacerat65

Wow good stuff 5/100bb is pretty good rate. Do you suspect bots at any of your tables, how good are the regs?

Will definitely keep this in mind during my study.

Idk. If they are bots they suck. Leodadalus is the only reg there I would ever consider possibly being a bot (you will see him at the 2nl tables he is good for the stakes) but probably not.

All you need to do to beat 2nl on there is play tight, know when to fold, and value bet hard

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02-18-2019 , 11:36 PM

Sil3ntness

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It's beatable, but it's miserable with a game full of tight nits. Race against the rake machine too.

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02-19-2019 , 12:07 AM

Spacerat65

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Originally Posted by Sil3ntness

It's beatable, but it's miserable with a game full of tight nits. Race against the rake machine too.

Could you just raise a bunch of hands to win small pots against them?

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02-19-2019 , 12:37 AM

kvnd

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Could you just raise a bunch of hands to win small pots against them?

No. You will find very little nits at 2nl. They are all either passive calling stations or hyper aggro maniacs (who may also be calling stations)

Play with a VPIP of 20 for 6 max

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02-19-2019 , 08:09 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by kvnd

hyper aggro maniacs (who may also be calling stations)

That sounds like a contradiction in terms (aggro maniac/calling station), but it's actually how I'd describe some of the bot profiles.
There are winning bots (maybe not at 2NL though, I don't know) that are extremely aggro as the PFR (e.g. 3-betting a lot), but they also float at a high frequency if they call pre. A ridiculously low fold to c-bet (if it's coupled with an apparent winning strat) is often a sign of a bot. WWSF>50% while playing looser than average is a good indicator that something is amiss.

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02-21-2019 , 02:09 PM

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LordPallidan12

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I would even go so far as to say they're "molestable" (;

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02-21-2019 , 03:50 PM

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Spacerat65

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I would even go so far as to say they're "molestable" (;

Okay. Plan is to run like 20 vpip like someone mentioned as a solid tag strategy but will have hud so will also use player dependent stats like call 3bet. If someone has high call 3bet 3betting ip is extremely profitable. If someone is very low vpip in blinds raising btn co with 50 percent of hands is good? If players are all very nit opening range from all position increase

Things I learned so far any other general exploits to use besides advice to play 6 max nit stats 21/17/6 or w/e.

Also beluga whale theorem and over betting turn rivers for value

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02-21-2019 , 08:12 PM

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kvnd

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I would steal based on the "fold to steal" stat your HUD should have. My default range to raise first in on button I use is 40% at the micros. Anyone who has over 75% you can steal wider, like 50%. Some people have like 80% plus where you can go as wide as stealing any two suited cards (like 70%). Also you can steal wider against people with like 3-5% 3 bet percentages out of the blinds because you will almost always realize your equity (you will never have to fold pre to a 3bet, unless of course they do 3 bet you, at which case you know from their 3% 3 bet percentage that they must only have QQ-AA, AK and its an easy fold)

what tracker program do you use

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02-21-2019 , 09:15 PM

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Spacerat65

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^
Waiting before I can play right now I'm just studying by reading on here.

Will buy small stakes hold em manager and putting 50 deposit probably mid March. Will be very active hopefully on unl sub forum during that time

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02-21-2019 , 11:38 PM

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kvnd

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HM2 and PT4 both have free trials fyi (obviously you'd want to wait until you make a deposit before trying them)

Also I think the freeroll tournaments are OK practice. They run every like 40 mins which is great. I played them quite a bit before making my deposit

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02-22-2019 , 12:56 AM

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Eudaimonia

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why wud micro cash not be beatable lol thats where ppl start out when they've never played poker before. Micro cash games will always be beatable no matter what year.

the 2nl regs are pretty tough actually on acr might want to do a mass database analysis, think u shud spend $50 analyzing 1m hands at 2nl first before you start also might want to invest in a coach and a mental game coach also a life coach as well maybe u shud also start going to church

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02-22-2019 , 04:18 AM

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sixfour

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Originally Posted by Eudaimonia

why wud micro cash not be beatable lol thats where ppl start out when they've never played poker before.

How many people at this stage are coming into online poker that have never played before, and are there enough of them to make the population weak enough that you can beat the rake?

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02-22-2019 , 06:15 AM

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Iblis

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Originally Posted by Eudaimonia

why wud micro cash not be beatable lol thats where ppl start out when they've never played poker before. Micro cash games will always be beatable no matter what year.

It the rake becomes too high even the best player in the world will not beat the easiest level.

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02-22-2019 , 03:28 PM

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Spacerat65

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Lol wtf

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02-22-2019 , 05:44 PM

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Eudaimonia

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Originally Posted by sixfour

How many people at this stage are coming into online poker that have never played before, and are there enough of them to make the population weak enough that you can beat the rake?

If you have an iq over 70 and determination you can do it ofc millenniels. Stop trying to argue with everyone seriously im going to block u.

Micro cash games is pretty much like rating below 2000 thinking ull never get 2k+ in chess it's beatable and theres ton of information but that doesn't mean it's not beatable.

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03-13-2019 , 01:20 AM

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nodarpapaya

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yes

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