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05-09-2014 , 06:35 PM
Aggressive BRM is good, but the downswings can tilt you. Upswings on the other half...
Any thoughts on those hands i posted yesterday?

Just have to play where ever the tables are good. Free money

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €55.40 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BB): €51.90
CO: €52.08 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 112)
BTN: €46.11 (VPIP: 87.76, PFR: 20.41, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has Q Q

fold, BTN raises to €2.00, fold, Hero raises to €7.00, BTN raises to €46.11 and is all-in, Hero calls €39.11

Flop: (€92.47, 2 players) 6 6 6

Turn: (€92.47, 2 players) 3

River: (€92.47, 2 players) T

Hero shows Q Q (Full House, Sixes full of Queens) (Pre 87%, Flop 97%, Turn 99%)
BTN shows Q 8 (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 13%, Flop 3%, Turn 1%)
Hero wins €89.47
05-10-2014 , 01:21 AM
@Fish
H1&2 fine
H3 bigger ott, bet river
H4 check flop, u block draws
05-10-2014 , 02:47 AM
Agreed w Dunna on all^

Am now up to 29k hands total with +50 bi / +45 ev bi as a result.

Tbh if I play for another week or so and have half the winrate i've had so far, i'd be super comfortably rolled for 10nl. Gonna give that a shot
05-10-2014 , 07:34 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $15.57 (VPIP: 25.77, PFR: 16.49, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 98)
BB: $8.72 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 77)
UTG: $7.30 (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 23)
UTG+1: $10.00 (VPIP: 15.94, PFR: 10.14, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 70)
MP: $9.80 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (CO): $10.49
BTN: $13.41 (VPIP: 15.97, PFR: 9.32, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 120)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, SB calls $0.95, fold, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($3.10, 3 players) Q 5 4
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB raises to $14.57 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $7.49 and is all-in

Turn: ($22.08, 2 players) 3

River: ($22.08, 2 players) K

Call or fold?
05-10-2014 , 07:40 AM
It's a call. Although how do you analyse calling an all in?

If you don't know I'll make a post showing you how but I'm assuming you do know and are just not sure about his range.
05-10-2014 , 07:42 AM
Obvious call is obvious
05-10-2014 , 07:57 AM
Opening a bottle of champagne before i hit the call button.
If you struggle with that spot, put some more thought into your game, board textures and ranges. If he had you, i assume he had A K, what else cold calls the 3b PF?
05-10-2014 , 07:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSS
It's a call. Although how do you analyse calling an all in?

If you don't know I'll make a post showing you how but I'm assuming you do know and are just not sure about his range.
Yeah just unsure if anyone else would think of folding with thoughts of being up against a made flush/draw
05-10-2014 , 07:59 AM
Even if he has a flush we have 30%+ equity and he doesn't just have flush draws.
05-10-2014 , 11:22 AM
I wanted to ask about a (maybe) similar spot.

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26732821

    Hero (BTN): $2.35 (117.5 bb)
    SB: $8.62 (431 bb)
    BB: $8.68 (434 bb)
    UTG+1: $2.16 (108 bb)
    UTG+2: $2.41 (120.5 bb)
    MP1: $4.81 (240.5 bb)
    MP2: $1.98 (99 bb)
    MP3: $1.85 (92.5 bb)
    CO: $1.88 (94 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A
    4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.06, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.39) A Q T (2 players)
    MP3 bets $1.67, Hero calls $1.67

    Turn: ($3.73) K (2 players)
    River: ($3.73) 5 (2 players)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.73 pot ($0.13 rake)
    Final Board: A Q T K 5
    Hero showed Q A and won $3.60 ($1.75 net)
    MP3 showed T Q and lost (-$1.85 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    Vill is unknown, 2NLz FR, probably fishy (40/20 over 20 hands)
    During the hands I thought 'if he flopped huge (straights/flushes) he won't be shoving, his shove looks like he is protecting against my hands that have a K or a heart. Shoving is what might get me off my two pair/set hands'.

    Now I ran the hands though Equilab. This is the range I gave him:



    Against that I have 45% equity, exactly what I need to call (in case someone thinks I started adding hands to justify my call, I swear I didn't).

    Do you guys think is right, or it's too wide?
    05-10-2014 , 11:34 AM
    You've got top 2 pair in a 3 bet pot. Insta call.
    05-10-2014 , 07:37 PM
    Yuck river, didn't like betting so how about turning hand into bluff?

      [hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $76.04 (152.1 bb)
      SB: $44.76 (89.5 bb)
      BB: $209.33 (418.7 bb)
      UTG: $33.74 (67.5 bb)
      Hero (MP): $51.56 (103.1 bb)
      CO: $105.79 (211.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25

      Flop: ($9.75) 5 2 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $5.58, Hero calls $5.58

      Turn: ($20.91) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($20.91) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $11.98, Hero raises to $40.97, [color="grey"]BTN
      05-11-2014 , 02:59 AM
      What do you know about villain?
      05-11-2014 , 03:24 AM
      That is quite a gutsy move for what is only 2nd pair.

      Why did you raise the button like this? Haven't you put him in the position where only better will call?
      05-11-2014 , 04:47 AM
      i'm having a problem in a spot like;
      i have, say, QTs on the button, folded to me so i make standard raise, sb folds, bb calls
      flop came KT2r with middle pair so i make cbet like 1/2 pot he calls
      now the turn like a Q or an Ace which i dont like since it makes 2 overcard; villain check and i will check behind
      then the river brick like a 6 or 4 and villain suddenly overbet

      it's 2NL has anyone ever experienced this scenario?
      and what does villain try to represent?
      05-11-2014 , 05:34 AM
      Thread for me to keep my goals and make sure I stick to them!

      [] Grind 2nl until $50, then shots at 5nl
      [] Play 15,000 hands per month (500 per day average)
      [] Post hand historys
      [] Analyse hand historys after sessions
      [] Get Silver status on Full Tilt for rakeback


      Ill post graphs when I get to $50, hopefully within a couple weeks!

      Last edited by AlienSpaceBat; 05-11-2014 at 09:49 AM.
      05-11-2014 , 07:02 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Micro Zoom Addict
      .
      ditto dunna, what do you know about villain? imo if villain was aggro and barrels scare cards I'd be x/c here
      05-11-2014 , 08:20 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by pattawee
      i'm having a problem in a spot like;
      i have, say, QTs on the button, folded to me so i make standard raise, sb folds, bb calls
      flop came KT2r with middle pair so i make cbet like 1/2 pot he calls
      now the turn like a Q or an Ace which i dont like since it makes 2 overcard; villain check and i will check behind
      then the river brick like a 6 or 4 and villain suddenly overbet

      it's 2NL has anyone ever experienced this scenario?
      and what does villain try to represent?
      Like all these spots, it depends.

      Can you find a HH where this has happened maybe? Knowing villain is key to this on all streets.

      So in your example presuming villain is unknown and you both have 100bbs, you can cbet or check flop. He can call with worse, especially at 2nl, but obviously don't expect 3 streets of value here. I think a cbet is fine until you develop stats/reads on the villain.

      If turn comes a Q then we can bet again, or check, but I like a check. You fold out worse at this point by betting but get called or raised by better (mostly). Again, if we develop reads that villain calls very light then this can be a value bet too.

      If turn comes an Ace then as above, what worse are we now getting called by? Always think when you bet, are we betting for value, ie worse hands can call, or are we bluffing? If we have decent SDV then do we need to bluff? If we bluff, will this villain fold? If we don't know that, then why are we bluffing with a hand with ok SDV?

      So, in you example, lets say we bet flop, check turn, and villain overbets riv as you've said. Well, look at your hand and think about what range of hands you get to the river like that, and which of those you want to call and which you want to fold.

      So say turn was an Ace and river a complete blank and villain pots it. We can have hands like AK, sets and some straights that we slowplayed OTT that we can call as they are the 'top of our range', and especially at 2nl villain can be overvaluing a worse hand or making a crazy bluff attempt some % of the time. So where does QTs fit in to that? Well, it's 2P, but AK, AQ, AT, KQ, KT are all better 2Ps so not even near the top of our range of hands here, so we can probably fold until we get any reads on villain that he's doing this as a 'move' or is a maniac, at which point we can start calling a bit lighter, although QT is still a fair way down the list as you can see.

      Does this make? Think about your hand in terms of your range (and obv villain's range) and see where it fits in and so be more aware of how you should play it. This is work you do away from the table after spots like this come up and you are lost.

      Hope this helps a bit, just my 2 cents
      05-11-2014 , 09:23 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Like all these spots, it depends.

      Can you find a HH where this has happened maybe? Knowing villain is key to this on all streets.

      So in your example presuming villain is unknown and you both have 100bbs, you can cbet or check flop. He can call with worse, especially at 2nl, but obviously don't expect 3 streets of value here. I think a cbet is fine until you develop stats/reads on the villain.

      If turn comes a Q then we can bet again, or check, but I like a check. You fold out worse at this point by betting but get called or raised by better (mostly). Again, if we develop reads that villain calls very light then this can be a value bet too.

      If turn comes an Ace then as above, what worse are we now getting called by? Always think when you bet, are we betting for value, ie worse hands can call, or are we bluffing? If we have decent SDV then do we need to bluff? If we bluff, will this villain fold? If we don't know that, then why are we bluffing with a hand with ok SDV?

      So, in you example, lets say we bet flop, check turn, and villain overbets riv as you've said. Well, look at your hand and think about what range of hands you get to the river like that, and which of those you want to call and which you want to fold.

      So say turn was an Ace and river a complete blank and villain pots it. We can have hands like AK, sets and some straights that we slowplayed OTT that we can call as they are the 'top of our range', and especially at 2nl villain can be overvaluing a worse hand or making a crazy bluff attempt some % of the time. So where does QTs fit in to that? Well, it's 2P, but AK, AQ, AT, KQ, KT are all better 2Ps so not even near the top of our range of hands here, so we can probably fold until we get any reads on villain that he's doing this as a 'move' or is a maniac, at which point we can start calling a bit lighter, although QT is still a fair way down the list as you can see.

      Does this make? Think about your hand in terms of your range (and obv villain's range) and see where it fits in and so be more aware of how you should play it. This is work you do away from the table after spots like this come up and you are lost.

      Hope this helps a bit, just my 2 cents
      Thanks for the input, you pointed out many things missing in my thought process through those hands
      05-11-2014 , 09:55 AM
      @MZA, think our hand's strong enough in a vacuum that we can x/c. X/j is a good line with hearts, 9x and boats as well as any other air we may have in this spot.
      05-11-2014 , 10:39 AM
      I think in a vacuum its an easy x/f otr.
      05-11-2014 , 10:41 AM
      Okay to call here? UTG spazzy reg, 3-bettor seems nitty and he is raising vs utg.

      iPoker - £0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: £20.00 (VPIP: 22.20, PFR: 17.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.29, Hands: 456)
      CO: £29.04 (VPIP: 19.48, PFR: 11.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 77)
      BTN: £9.30 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 30.00, Hands: 16)
      SB: £25.29 (VPIP: 24.87, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 8.97, Hands: 385)
      Hero (BB): £19.40
      UTG: £41.20 (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 21.34, 3Bet Preflop: 12.63, Hands: 1,309)

      SB posts SB £0.10, Hero posts BB £0.20

      Pre Flop: (pot: £0.30) Hero has T T

      UTG raises to £0.80, fold, CO raises to £2.20, fold, fold, Hero calls £2.00, fold

      Flop: (£5.30, 2 players) Q 3 6
      Hero checks, CO bets £3.40, fold
      05-11-2014 , 10:46 AM
      No, for pretty much every reason you can think of. Don't think of TT as a big pair and you'll find it easier
      05-11-2014 , 11:00 AM
      Because of the maths? Too much to call right?
      05-11-2014 , 11:02 AM
      Keep going...

            
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