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02-23-2010 , 02:26 PM

meekerma

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 242

what is the best way to get max value when you flop the nuts???

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $1.35
SB: $2.08
BB: $2.01
UTG: $0.61
UTG+1: $2.19
MP1: $3.72
MP2: $3.34
CO: $2.66

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 4

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.28) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.28) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.08, SB folds, MP1 calls $0.08

River: ($0.44) Q

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10

Final Pot: $0.64
Hero shows 4

(a straight flush, Seven high)
MP1 mucks J

Hero wins $0.60
(Rake: $0.04)

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02-23-2010 , 02:32 PM

PunkFloyd510

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 525

Need reads, but at 2NL you need to be betting all 3 streets, and bet them hard. Especially since its multi-way.

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02-23-2010 , 02:35 PM

PunkFloyd510

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 525

Oh and as far as pre-flop, don't raise that. There's no way you can fold out the table with a 4x raise with 2 limpers, if you have reads that the entire table is 5/0 nits then raise 5x, otherwise limp.

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02-23-2010 , 02:42 PM

meekerma

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Originally Posted by PunkFloyd510

thanks man good stuff

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02-23-2010 , 02:43 PM

devilman2075

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 544

Obviously you have the nuts and letting people draw isn't a real concern to lose but if you don't bet what are you going to win.

On the flop id bet half pot so .14, turn id bet 2/3rd pot and river shove, that's all if you can keep them in the hand. Looks to me like mp1 woulda called you the whole way

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02-23-2010 , 02:47 PM

KingKongGrinder

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,598

I like the check on the flop. You have the stone cold nutz with 2 others in the hand. You need to let someone catch up. Once I got the call on the turn I now pot the river.

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02-23-2010 , 02:57 PM

jb514

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837

You almost never hit straight flushes so dont worry about how to play them.

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02-23-2010 , 02:59 PM

Sac_Pacman

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 637

Make sure you have auto rebuy on, so that you start a full buyin with every hand.

Other than that.
1/2pot, 3/4pot, shove

Nice hand Op.

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02-23-2010 , 03:01 PM

~run.it.twice

banned

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,728

You can't get max value by checking behind the river. Why do people do this, explain to me one reasonable thing this accomplishes. Bet pot on every single street at 2NL, on my life, they're calling a 10c bet as much as they're calling a 40c bet.

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02-23-2010 , 03:07 PM

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ajrenni

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,307

Bet the flop. Basically there are two situations you are looking for:
- Someone has a heart and will call 2 streets looking for the flush (and pay off when it hits)
- Someone has top pair/overpair and will call as long as another heart doesn't show up.

If either of these situations are present, you can get value.

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02-23-2010 , 03:12 PM

#11

sump

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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder

I like the check on the flop. You have the stone cold nutz with 2 others in the hand. You need to let someone catch up. Once I got the call on the turn I now pot the river.

But you see by checking the flop after raising pre-flop he made MP1 think that his Q high flush was beat hense why he didn't get max value on his hand.

By betting the flop MP1 might have c/r to find out where he was at and this is where Hero could have called the C/R. Call the turn and fire a bigger bullet on the river repping a missed flush.

That hand was played -EV imo. You need to C-Bet ESPECIALLY in Position by checking behind you are making the 2NL fish think that you only check the nuts and you bet with air.

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02-23-2010 , 03:18 PM

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Mark89er

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 10,223

do this, BET BET SHOVE? jesus christ sir, you check on the flop then bitch about how to get value? At nl2 bet bet bet all value hands

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02-23-2010 , 03:21 PM

#13

sump

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Originally Posted by Mark89er

do this, BET BET SHOVE? jesus christ sir, you check on the flop then bitch about how to get value? At nl2 bet bet bet all value hands

I have a friend who plays like OP. He will raise K2 OOP but then just call AA in position saying that he is "trapping" his opponents and then he realizes he is wrong every time after BB flosp 2 pr and his AA doesnt win and then he says ......... wait for it .....

Spoiler:

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02-23-2010 , 03:45 PM

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PunkFloyd510

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Originally Posted by sump

Spoiler:

You're friends with Phil Hellmuth?

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02-23-2010 , 06:17 PM

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Sac_Pacman

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You're friends with Phil Hellmuth?

Lol

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