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03-02-2013 , 08:08 AM
first guy 68/15 fish - russian obv. 2nd hand nitty reg portugal...


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301111

    MP: $2.50 (50 bb)
    CO: $2.40 (48 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.17 (103.4 bb)
    SB: $9.79 (195.8 bb)
    BB: $4.78 (95.6 bb)
    UTG: $5.62 (112.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
    2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, CO raises to $2.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.05

    Flop: ($4.87) 3 K Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: ($4.87) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($4.87) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.87 pot ($0.20 rake)
    Final Board: 3 K Q T 5
    CO showed J 9 and won $4.67 ($2.27 net)
    Hero mucked T T and lost (-$2.40 net)



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      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $0.28 (5.6 bb)
      BB: $2 (40 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $15.11 (302.2 bb)
      MP: $1.84 (36.8 bb)
      CO: $15.02 (300.4 bb)
      BTN: $5.99 (119.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with J J
      Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.26 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.33) 6 Q J (3 players, 1 is all-in)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.05, BTN raises to $5.49 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.44

      Turn: ($12.31) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($12.31) 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $12.31 pot ($0.51 rake)
      Final Board: 6 Q J K 4
      SB mucked 8 9 and lost (-$0.28 net)
      Hero showed J J and lost (-$5.99 net)
      BTN showed K K and won $11.80 ($5.81 net)



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      If *that* is how I roll, Id better find a shop that accepts Sklansky bucks or else Im going cheezebugger free this month
      03-02-2013 , 08:33 AM
      2nd hand pretty poorly played by villain.

      I'd assume the worst you'd do this with is A/Q clubs.
      03-02-2013 , 09:43 AM
      February was only my second full month playing full ring cash games. I started it of playing like a haddie , calling off multiple streets in the belief that 'he just doesn't have it'. Since I noticed and stopped that, its been pretty decent. I moved up to 4NL last week and its going ok so far.

      Hands: 3835
      BB/100: 14.3
      Profit: $14.92

      03-02-2013 , 10:41 AM
      sheesh, already march huh?
      03-02-2013 , 10:44 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by IamPro
      Look up Classicshell (free) or Star8 (more polished altho $5 but free trial)
      LEGEND! Finally I can use my PC again. If you don't have a tablet and Windows 8 ruins your life this is the answer!

      My February giraffe. Not a bad month but encompassed my first proper below EV breakeven stretch then awesome heater at the end.

      03-02-2013 , 11:06 AM
      Worked out my winrate might be higher if I don't bluffraise rivers in 3bet pots.
      03-02-2013 , 11:59 AM
      Big session yesterday. Stacking -> cascading definitely feels better.

      Hand 1: sb 77/15 CO 14/12/4.0af
      I was so sure that if i bet the river i face a completed gut-shot. Considering CO's tightness, is checking by any means ok here? And flatting KK because i read a cotw about mixing your 3bet play.
        Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301621

        SB: $0.49 (24.5 bb)
        CO: $2 (100 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)
        BB: $2.28 (114 bb)
        MP: $2 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
        MP posts BB OOP, MP checks, CO raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds

        Flop: ($0.28) 5 2 J (3 players)
        SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.21, SB calls $0.21, CO calls $0.21

        Turn: ($0.91) 9 (3 players)
        SB checks, CO bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.03, SB calls $0.20 and is all-in, CO calls $0.63

        River: ($3.17) Q (3 players, 1 is all-in)
        CO checks, Hero checks




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        Hand 2: 78/11
          Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301631

          UTG: $2.48 (124 bb)
          Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
          CO: $1.66 (83 bb)
          SB: $2 (100 bb)
          BTN: $2.20 (110 bb)
          MP: $1.55 (77.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
          UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.08, MP calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06, SB calls $0.06

          Flop: ($0.32) 3 8 J (4 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP folds, CO calls $0.24, SB folds

          Turn: ($0.80) 2 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.38, CO calls $0.38

          River: ($1.56) J (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.30 and is all-in, CO calls $0.96 and is all-in




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          h3: 34/3/1.9. I hate this river spot. I knew that my kicker beats his kicker, but when loose passive player raises, he always has it?
            Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301641

            SB: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
            Hero (MP): $2.03 (101.5 bb)
            UTG: $7.26 (363 bb)
            BB: $3.69 (184.5 bb)
            BTN: $2.65 (132.5 bb)
            CO: $0.91 (45.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with A J
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, BB calls $0.06

            Flop: ($0.17) 7 A 4 (2 players)
            BB bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.17, BB calls $0.11

            Turn: ($0.51) 5 (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $0.39, BB calls $0.39

            River: ($1.29) T (2 players)
            BB bets $1.23, Hero calls $1.23




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            h4: 82/2. It's a terrible player but trip aces + T 9 kicker, not good?
              Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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              Hero (BB): $2.85 (142.5 bb)
              SB: $0.43 (21.5 bb)
              CO: $1.40 (70 bb)
              MP: $1.72 (86 bb)
              BTN: $2.53 (126.5 bb)
              UTG: $0.60 (30 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with A 8
              2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero checks

              Flop: ($0.05) 7 9 A (2 players)
              Hero bets $0.04, CO calls $0.04

              Turn: ($0.13) A (2 players)
              Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

              River: ($0.33) T (2 players)
              Hero bets $0.25, CO raises to $1.24 and is all-in, Hero folds




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              h5: 75/5/1.5. Felt bad for calling here.

                Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                SB: $2 (100 bb)
                MP: $2.15 (107.5 bb)
                Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
                BTN: $4.29 (214.5 bb)
                UTG: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
                CO: $3.46 (173 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with J 7
                3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, SB completes, Hero checks

                Flop: ($0.06) J 8 J (3 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, SB folds

                Turn: ($0.14) 2 (2 players)
                Hero bets $0.11, BTN raises to $0.47, Hero calls $0.36

                River: ($1.08) 8 (2 players)
                Hero checks, BTN bets $1.03, Hero calls $1.03




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                03-02-2013 , 12:12 PM
                H1: Flatting is horrendous, I seriously doubt that COTW applies to 2NL play. There is zero need to balance (BTW, I'd move away from Party, they're segregating their player pool). Not betting the river is almost criminal. You're much more likely to see AJ, KJ than KT or T8.

                H2: Seems fine.

                H3: I'd fold the river.

                H4: Raise pre. Think I'd call the river, there are enough worse Ax and weird spazz bluffs in his range to justify it given the odds.

                H5: Probably shoving the river in case he's played AA-QQ/8x/22 awfully. Only quads beats us.
                03-02-2013 , 12:26 PM
                Line check please. Villain was 38/18/2 over 65 hands. Called as ahead of his 18% PFR range but should probably have 3 bet. His C-bet is 100% (6 hands) so checked to check raise as currently ahead of his range but as he's pretty wide any broadway would scare me. Turn I was going to check for pot control but his fold to turn C-bet was 80% (4/5) so figured worth a bet to win it. If called I felt had to give up as so many hands in his range now crush me. No space left to bet/fold so check/fold only option other than shove.


                  Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301741

                  BB: $2.41 (24.1 bb)
                  UTG: $20.12 (201.2 bb)
                  MP: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
                  CO: $8.09 (80.9 bb)
                  BTN: $17.24 (172.4 bb)
                  Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
                  UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB folds

                  Flop: ($0.70) 2 T 8 (2 players)
                  Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1

                  Turn: ($3.70) Q (2 players)
                  Hero bets $2.40, MP calls $2.40

                  River: ($8.50) 4 (2 players)
                  Hero checks, MP bets $6.28 and is all-in, Hero folds

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $8.50 pot ($0.38 rake)
                  Final Board: 2 T 8 Q 4
                  MP mucked and won $8.12 ($3.92 net)
                  Hero mucked T A and lost (-$4.20 net)



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                  03-02-2013 , 12:32 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
                  (BTW, I'd move away from Party, they're segregating their player pool)
                  What? I'm 80% done with my pokertracker grind, do i need to hurry? After the grind i'm probably depositing my money away since the software is horrible.
                  03-02-2013 , 12:39 PM
                  Well, they're segregating players by skill level based on winrate, and not showing you some tables in the lobby.

                  There's a thread in NVG - look there for details.

                  AT hand: I don't like the flop c/r. It's a situation you're rarely going to get called by worse, and it's a dry board so there are fewer draws in your c/r range. Obviously you don't want villain to fold the hands you beat because they're drawing to about 3 outs.

                  Turn I c/c. We've overplayed our hand to this stage, and basically the only draw came in, plus QT improved to beat us. However, villain could still bet chops/KT/JT when checked to, so folding isn't good.

                  River, c/f is the best play.
                  03-02-2013 , 12:56 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
                  H1: Flatting is horrendous, I seriously doubt that COTW applies to 2NL play. There is zero need to balance (BTW, I'd move away from Party, they're segregating their player pool). Not betting the river is almost criminal. You're much more likely to see AJ, KJ than KT or T8.

                  H2: Seems fine.

                  H3: I'd fold the river.

                  H4: Raise pre. Think I'd call the river, there are enough worse Ax and weird spazz bluffs in his range to justify it given the odds.

                  H5: Probably shoving the river in case he's played AA-QQ/8x/22 awfully. Only quads beats us.
                  h1: not sure. You made good read on villain hmm. I'm in position, villain checked so that would limit his range? A bit worried about being against 2 pair or better here. I need to re-estimate my one pair hand strength on river.
                  5: Meh didn't notice i made a boat there.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_At1H1fDnss
                  Time to swap blinds with regs. Pokerstars omw after 20 points ->!

                  Last edited by Fishtankz; 03-02-2013 at 01:12 PM.
                  03-02-2013 , 01:30 PM
                  What do you guize think about changing the name of this type of thread to March Beginners Questions Kibitz? Or something like that? Cause it clearly isnt a build a bankroll thread - we all just kibitzing in it and we dont want to be misleading people do we? DO WE? :@
                  03-02-2013 , 01:43 PM
                  Depends. Tell me what kibitz means and I'l say yes or no.
                  What about progress thread?
                  People do update on BR as and when.
                  PS. Mine is $300 ish, but much of that was deposits, not sure how much - half of it maybe.

                  Currently trying out 10NL Rush with a free $20 ticket.
                  Down to about $12 without playing any big pots. Haven't seen a lot of action tbh.

                  SS fish, my A should be good one the flop a lot of the time, and well turn is bad but for those odds. Sigh call expecting to see a Q.

                  Full Tilt - $0.10 NL RUSH (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
                  Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

                  MP: $3.85
                  Hero (CO): $10.55
                  BTN: $7.28
                  SB: $1.99
                  BB: $5.04
                  UTG: $19.58

                  SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

                  Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 9 A

                  fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

                  Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) K J A
                  SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.60

                  Turn: ($2.90, 2 players) T
                  SB bets $0.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.59

                  River: ($4.08, 2 players) K

                  Spoiler:
                  SB shows T Q (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 41%, Flop 92%, Turn 97%)
                  Hero shows 9 A (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 59%, Flop 8%, Turn 3%)
                  SB wins $3.81


                  Poor call, but he played his hand passively.

                  Full Tilt - $0.10 NL RUSH (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
                  Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

                  SB: $26.60
                  BB: $19.32
                  UTG: $7.89
                  MP: $9.66
                  Hero (CO): $11.19
                  BTN: $10.72

                  SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

                  Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 7 7

                  fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

                  Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 6 K 9
                  SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

                  Turn: ($1.70, 2 players) K
                  SB checks, Hero checks

                  River: ($1.70, 2 players) K
                  SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

                  Spoiler:
                  SB shows J J (Full House, Kings full of Jacks) (Pre 80%, Flop 84%, Turn 95%)
                  Hero mucks 7 7 (Full House, Kings full of Sevens) (Pre 20%, Flop 16%, Turn 5%)
                  SB wins $4.76


                  Probably gonna blow the rest of my ticket tonight
                  03-02-2013 , 01:48 PM
                  I think it's good as-is. There's been a fine tradition of Beginners' Bankroll threads, we needn't change it.
                  03-02-2013 , 01:51 PM
                  After withdrawing various amounts for a new bike I have:
                  16 BIs for 10nl on Stars
                  10 BIs for 10nl on Ipoker
                  10 BIs for 10nl on Pacific

                  Does this make it more of a bankroll thread now Chad?

                  Played some non-Zoom 10nl at Stars this morning. Was hilariously bad. Just find a Russian and sit to his left!
                  Zoom is great for nano stakes, but think it's probably worth switching to normal tables around 10-25nl to really push your edge against worse players and continue improving as a player beyond ABC poker, unless you're still crushing, but at even 25nl that's pretty tough to do over a large sample for most of us
                  03-02-2013 , 03:37 PM
                  wow <10 hands of session.
                  Trapping working as intended. Can never underestimate fishes commitment to top pair.

                    Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16301991

                    Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
                    UTG: $2 (100 bb)
                    BTN: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
                    MP: $2.22 (111 bb)
                    CO: $2 (100 bb)
                    SB: $2.07 (103.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
                    UTG posts BB OOP, UTG checks, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.02, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.10, UTG folds, BTN calls $0.10

                    Flop: ($0.38) 5 9 Q (3 players)
                    SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, SB calls $0.28

                    Turn: ($1.82) 8 (3 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $1.40 and is all-in, BTN raises to $1.51 and is all-in, SB folds

                    River: ($4.62) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $4.62 pot ($0.23 rake)
                    Final Board: 5 9 Q 8 9
                    Hero showed A A and won $4.39 ($2.39 net)
                    BTN showed 2 Q and lost (-$2.00 net)
                    SB mucked and lost (-$0.60 net)



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                      Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16302001

                      UTG: $2.29 (114.5 bb)
                      MP: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
                      Hero (SB): $2.01 (100.5 bb)
                      BB: $2.06 (103 bb)
                      CO: $4.04 (202 bb)
                      BTN: $1.60 (80 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
                      2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.05, BB folds

                      Flop: ($0.20) 5 A K (3 players)
                      Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.44, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.68, Hero raises to $1.95 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.86 and is all-in

                      Turn: ($3.38) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                      River: ($3.38) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $3.38 pot ($0.16 rake)
                      Final Board: 5 A K 8 4
                      Hero showed A K and won $3.22 ($1.62 net)
                      CO mucked and lost (-$0.16 net)
                      BTN showed 2 K and lost (-$1.60 net)



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                      03-02-2013 , 03:57 PM
                      You're really doing no favours in slowplaying AA/KK/AK preflop. Next time you'll be complaining that some fish spiked two pair with their 75o on the flop and stacked your overpair.
                      03-02-2013 , 04:01 PM
                      I am aware of that. Vs reg no chance for flatting.
                      And i'll probably stop doing so soon. Easier to get the stacks in middle in 3bet pots.
                      03-02-2013 , 04:13 PM
                      Flatting AK may be okay in position, but from SB a 3bet is better.
                      AA/AK you want to play heads up, not price in some random fish hands.
                      03-02-2013 , 04:19 PM
                      Played first small session of the year, ran super and booked 6 bi. Now got winners tilt and will go play games. Gl boys n girls.
                      03-02-2013 , 05:17 PM
                      BINK.
                      03-02-2013 , 05:34 PM
                      Played a few hundred slightly less than breakeven hands of 5NL rush, faced with nits and regs, then quit and played some regular tables.
                      omg the difference is huge - donks and fish all round.
                      Unfortunately this one was to my left - playing 56/12 at -180bb/100.
                      At one point I checked his stats and he had never folded on flop, turn or river

                      Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
                      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

                      SB: $5.69
                      BB: $6.15
                      Hero (UTG): $5.75
                      MP: $1.75
                      CO: $7.28
                      BTN: $5.00

                      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

                      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 2 7

                      fold, MP raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, fold

                      Flop: ($0.45, 4 players) 4 K 4
                      SB checks, MP bets $0.05, CO raises to $0.30, fold, fold, MP calls $0.25

                      Turn: ($1.05, 2 players) 5
                      MP bets $0.05, CO raises to $1.40, MP calls $1.30 and is all-in

                      River: ($3.75, 2 players) 8

                      Spoiler:
                      CO shows K 8 (Two Pair, Kings and Eights) (Pre 52%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
                      MP shows 3 3 (Two Pair, Fours and Threes) (Pre 48%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
                      CO wins $3.50
                      03-02-2013 , 06:00 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
                      Played a few hundred slightly less than breakeven hands of 5NL rush, faced with nits and regs, then quit and played some regular tables.
                      omg the difference is huge - donks and fish all round.
                      True. I think there's a lot more money to be made in normal tables than zooming. Tight tables are a bit meh. Dream come true for lags maybe.
                      Yesterday i was making serious calculations. With 8.9bb/100, i would have to play 14 hours to reach BR to start 4nl. Then party poker just went party poker.. Not even a heater, one set over set for short stack but thats it.
                      03-02-2013 , 07:32 PM
                      Villain is 43/0/0 over small sample. Raise to iso vs him pre flop. Bet flop and turn for value. River would shove basically anything but this. A completes every draw going. This guy never bets so figure c/f as he is checking anything non nutty.

                      Too weak? I just can't see anything I still beat except busted flush draw and he's never betting that on the river. Better 2 pair or straight I reckon.



                        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16302511

                        CO: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
                        BTN: $4.92 (49.2 bb)
                        Hero (SB): $10.03 (100.3 bb)
                        BB: $10 (100 bb)
                        UTG: $7.19 (71.9 bb)
                        MP: $10.42 (104.2 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is SB with J K
                        UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30

                        Flop: ($1) J Q 4 (2 players)
                        Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65

                        Turn: ($2.30) K (2 players)
                        Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

                        River: ($5.30) A (2 players)
                        Hero checks, BTN bets $1.60, Hero folds

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $5.30 pot ($0.24 rake)
                        Final Board: J Q 4 K A
                        BTN mucked and won $5.06 ($2.51 net)
                        Hero mucked J K and lost (-$2.55 net)



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                        Also in BR building terms, shot at NL10 going OK. BR up to $428!

                        Last edited by thetallpaul; 03-02-2013 at 07:34 PM. Reason: So Chad doesn't get upset.

                              
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