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03-05-2012 , 05:50 PM
Note to self: After playing lots of donkaments where second pair is teh nutz and villains call overbet shoves with K high, take a break and rethink your strategy before playing cash.
03-05-2012 , 06:07 PM
Make that 2 BIs up. Fish gonna fish!

And lost on BI to TPTK with AK v set on turn. Should have folded. Poo!
03-05-2012 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
At the moment got good position on 2 tables vs absolute drooling fish who call down with any pair. It's very profitable!
Just been sat at a table with a drooling fish with 94 VPIP yet couldn't get a hand on him!
He beat my AQs with 53o :/
Made trips on the river.
Thing is, I saw him win 2BIs in 10 hands, none of them all-ins, all smallish pots.
Then he lost about 1/2 BI.
(Oh, he was Russian and didn't appear to have a fold button).

Annoyed at myself for folding AJs in a big 4 way pot because I only had a pair of Js with a K on the board and the winning hand was AJo...

This hand made up for it though, different table and regs not fish!

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $0.67
BB: $0.60
UTG: $3.39
UTG+1: $1.81
MP: $5.75
MP+1: $2.64
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $0.77

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A 5

UTG calls $0.02, fold, MP raises to $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.04, fold, SB calls $0.03, fold, UTG calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.18, 4 players) K 9 5
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.09, fold, UTG calls $0.09, MP raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.09, UTG calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.72, 3 players) 2
UTG checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

River: ($1.32, 3 players) Q
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.26, UTG calls $1.26, MP raises to $3.76, Hero calls $0.32 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.71 and is all-in

Spoiler:
MP shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (PreFlop 55%, Flop 64%, Turn 76%)
Hero shows A 5 (Flush, Ace High) (PreFlop 31%, Flop 27%, Turn 17%)
UTG shows J T (Straight, King High) (PreFlop 14%, Flop 10%, Turn 7%)
MP wins $0.00
UTG wins $2.64
Hero wins $5.76

Last edited by Studebaker Hawk; 03-05-2012 at 06:23 PM.
03-05-2012 , 07:22 PM


I've been starting to play online (5nl) 2 weeks ago, though I have been reading threads here and the theory of poker, it didnt seem that I've played my hand rite.

This figure is missing some hand histories, I am around $40 down = 20BI although the first $20 is lost from $5(100bb) buyin.
I tried to play tight with 40bb at first but obviously it became weak-tight, from the graph the red line is too steep. I realize that I'm always winning small but losing big, because i'm afraid to bet or bet small when ahead and calling too much when behind (tho I'd tried to use the implied odds as long as possible).

Any method to improve my skills? I admitted I played post-flop bet really bad, I never figured out what they could have until showdown unless I am sure my hand is the best.
03-05-2012 , 07:28 PM
which hand?
03-05-2012 , 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smallcowz


I've been starting to play online (5nl) 2 weeks ago, though I have been reading threads here and the theory of poker, it didnt seem that I've played my hand rite.

This figure is missing some hand histories, I am around $40 down = 20BI although the first $20 is lost from $5(100bb) buyin.
I tried to play tight with 40bb at first but obviously it became weak-tight, from the graph the red line is too steep. I realize that I'm always winning small but losing big, because i'm afraid to bet or bet small when ahead and calling too much when behind (tho I'd tried to use the implied odds as long as possible).

Any method to improve my skills? I admitted I played post-flop bet really bad, I never figured out what they could have until showdown unless I am sure my hand is the best.
Read all the stickies and faqs and the BQ Digest. Keep reading as much as u can until u understand what they are telling u. Watch vids if u prefer but use every way to learn that u can.

Also, start at 2nl, cheaper to learn there!
03-05-2012 , 07:38 PM
Ok, firstly. Move down to 2nl and play with 100bb. Get more of a grasp of everything and work your way up. Secondly, fold more. You're playing quite loose and it seems that you're calling raises from the BTN alot when you're in the blinds, this is not good. See a little hand thing I found which I started using when I was at 2nl, overtime you'll adopt your own strategy but my best advice is to start with this.
Early position (UTG-UTG+1): Raise {AJs+, AQo+, TT+}, limp {22-99}
Middle position (MP1-MP3): Raise {ATs+, AJo+, KQs+, 66+}, limp {22-55}
Late position (CO-SB): Raise {most aces, most broadway, suited connectors, some offsuit connectors 22+}

I'm sure there will be some disagreements with my starting strategy but this is my best advice I can offer. If you ever wanna chat on Skype , either voice or text just add me :kevsaled3e
03-05-2012 , 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raikkonen3
I'm in the same boat. One session off getting my first bonus payment and I'm only up a few BI. The rake on the skin I play is ridiculous (assume it's the same for all of them) so not sure whether it's even worth it. Probably going to play until I retrieve all of my bonus (~20K hands) then move onto a new website.
I was thinking about it, if I can break even and put in some volume i'll probably end up making a good sum of money from the rakeback alone. I could just grind it up and then transfer back over to Stars and play good games a bit higher up. I'm just seeing how it goes for now. I'd really rather win at the tables. I managed to do both this session but it really feels like i'm breaking even for the most part.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
What level are u playing at if u dont mind me asking?

Not really happy with where I am at the moment and thinking of going back to Stars, but was gna maybe try ipoker again as played at William Hill ages ago when I had no clue what I was doing
I just put £70 on to start as I wasn't sure how the software worked, if i'd like the site and whether i'd get my rakeback payments and how much they'd amount to. So I was just playing PLO $0.01/0.02 and €0.01/0.02. I got £5 in rakeback today for maybe 3k hands (no tracker so not official.) If you want a 60% ipoker deal I can put you in touch with someone who gave me the deal and also a friend of mine I recommended to them. The skin will be celebpoker if you want to check them out (i'm not getting anything for recommending people.)

My session

I just played some more on ipoker. Went up to about 8 tables, that doesn't work as well as stars. How I miss playing 15 tables and being able to nit it up. I noticed some people really overplayed smaller flushes. Ran bad in 2 multi-way pots. One of them was ridiculous, I have AAxx in position. Raised it pre-flop, flop comes AQ4ss, bet, call, I pot. They both call and we go to turn. offsuit 5, bet, call, I pot putting in most of my stack. They both call. River: 8 I shoved my last 9bb and I see QQxx from one of them and the other was 4567 or something like that. Just called flop with a pair, couldn't muck the 2 pair on turn and rivered me.

I ran bad with top set in another one. But later donked it up with QJ98 single suited on QTx board getting it all in 3 way. Hands were QQ and TT and I hit. Another was me with JT9xds on T98 board, I bet flop and went to turn which gave me flush draw to go with my hand and ended up getting it in vs nuts and some other hand. Hit a 9 on river to scoop.

Some people really overplayed their hands though. I just call AAxx from SB. Flop: AKK, we check check. I bet turn, villain calls. I bet river which was a 4, villain raises - I go all in. Shows K4. Another was me with AKQx on JTx, I bet flop, bricked turn so checked and river was 9. Villain fired and I shoved thinking we're chopping and he called showing 99! Think I finished up about £9 + whatever my rakeback was. It's still not easy to make money on ipoker though

Last edited by Masq; 03-05-2012 at 08:03 PM.
03-05-2012 , 08:30 PM
Just had a quick go on 25nl (single table) it didnt kill me. In fact I might have made like 20c profit Looking forward to more play tomorrow.
03-05-2012 , 11:27 PM
Rostucko! Was 4 BI down for the month, and just finished a session where I got almost everything back.

Biggest pot of the night...I love sets


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $6.08
BB: $5.14
UTG: $7.25
CO: $5.33
BTN: $0.86

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 2 2

fold, CO raises to $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45, 3 players) 7 2 5
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, BB raises to $2.60, CO raises to $5.18 and is all-in, Hero raises to $5.93 and is all-in, fold

Turn: ($13.41, 2 players) J

River: ($13.41, 2 players) 8

Hero shows 2 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 18%, Flop 87%, Turn 77%)
CO mucks Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 82%, Flop 13%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $12.85
03-05-2012 , 11:53 PM
PartyGaming - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $4.00
MP: $4.14
MP+1: $4.00
LP: $5.39
CO: $6.83
BTN: $3.44
SB: $4.00
BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $3.56

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J A

Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) 4 K A
BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BTN raises to $0.56, fold, Hero raises to $2.05, BTN calls $1.49

Turn: ($4.48, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $1.39 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.27 and is all-in

River: ($7.02, 2 players) 6

Hero shows J A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 73%, Flop 78%, Turn 17%)
BTN shows 3 A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes) (Pre 27%, Flop 22%, Turn 83%)
BTN wins $6.67


Free Hamburgers for everybody! I guess I completely mis-represented my hand.
03-06-2012 , 02:50 AM
urgh I run good first 2k hands for this month /sigh sorry just got to get it out.

03-06-2012 , 03:05 AM
I hate those limp-reraises...Anyone consider folding here? I couldn't

Villain was 52/39 or something, seemed fishy


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $4.14
CO: $4.17
BTN: $2.91
Hero (SB): $5.39
BB: $1.18
UTG: $3.89

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, MP raises to $0.80, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, MP raises to $4.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.14

Flop: ($8.38, 2 players) J 9 4

Turn: ($8.38, 2 players) 4

River: ($8.38, 2 players) 6

Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
MP shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 82%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
MP wins $8.03
03-06-2012 , 03:08 AM
Folding is fine vs the 3b.
03-06-2012 , 03:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevsaled3e
Ok, firstly. Move down to 2nl and play with 100bb. Get more of a grasp of everything and work your way up. Secondly, fold more. You're playing quite loose and it seems that you're calling raises from the BTN alot when you're in the blinds, this is not good. See a little hand thing I found which I started using when I was at 2nl, overtime you'll adopt your own strategy but my best advice is to start with this.
Early position (UTG-UTG+1): Raise {AJs+, AQo+, TT+}, limp {22-99}
Middle position (MP1-MP3): Raise {ATs+, AJo+, KQs+, 66+}, limp {22-55}
Late position (CO-SB): Raise {most aces, most broadway, suited connectors, some offsuit connectors 22+}

I'm sure there will be some disagreements with my starting strategy but this is my best advice I can offer. If you ever wanna chat on Skype , either voice or text just add me :kevsaled3e
Disagree with ALL of the limping in this suggestion. Also, where is your ATs UTG and KQ?

sans reads I would probably flat the 3bet with QQ - but im pretty timid with this hand currently.

Last edited by chad0x001; 03-06-2012 at 03:46 AM.
03-06-2012 , 04:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralex
PartyGaming - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $4.00
MP: $4.14
MP+1: $4.00
LP: $5.39
CO: $6.83
BTN: $3.44
SB: $4.00
BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $3.56

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J A

Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) 4 K A
BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BTN raises to $0.56, fold, Hero raises to $2.05, BTN calls $1.49

Turn: ($4.48, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $1.39 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.27 and is all-in

River: ($7.02, 2 players) 6

Hero shows J A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 73%, Flop 78%, Turn 17%)
BTN shows 3 A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes) (Pre 27%, Flop 22%, Turn 83%)
BTN wins $6.67


Free Hamburgers for everybody! I guess I completely mis-represented my hand.
Kralex, dont know stats on villain but ur overplaying top pair there. Yes he binks the turn, but u can just call his flop raise and keep the pot smaller.
03-06-2012 , 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x00
Disagree with ALL of the limping in this suggestion. Also, where is your ATs UTG and KQ?

sans reads I would probably flat the 3bet with QQ - but im pretty timid with this hand currently.
at lower limits and being villian dependant im either shipping or flatting the 3 bet then re-evaluating on the flop.

I also dissagree with limping. dont do it. unless your trapping a super agro player I wouldnt even think about it. Over limping can be fine but I wouldnt open limp low pairs, you may aswell tell them you have 44 etc because its too obvious.

you play KQ off UTG? Im still not sure about it, against competant regs I may throw it away. If its a bit of a fishy table Ill raise it UTG.

I think I would play unsuited one gappers from the BTN and CO too.
03-06-2012 , 05:51 AM
sitting at some weird tables. 100/10 guy to to my right who cant stop hittign on one and the other I have this bad reg immediately to my left - who is also a ****ing luckbox. I raise AA OTB, he calls from SB JK8 flop, I bet pot, he calls, turn 9 I check behind, river he bets 1/3 pot I call he has 89o...thisis a reg, 1.5M hands played...****.
03-06-2012 , 05:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x00
sitting at some weird tables. 100/10 guy to to my right who cant stop hittign on one and the other I have this bad reg immediately to my left - who is also a ****ing luckbox. I raise AA OTB, he calls from SB JK8 flop, I bet pot, he calls, turn 9 I check behind, river he bets 1/3 pot I call he has 89o...thisis a reg, 1.5M hands played...****.
What's his winrate on PTR?
I often see these loose, bad players running good - calling down to river with bottom pair and hitting a set, etc, and being up a couple of BIs over ~100 hands.
But when I look them up they are always long term losers.
03-06-2012 , 06:02 AM
I as thinking - 67/0 fish cant fold an overpair. so I can call. or should i raise? didnt have the courage of my convictions unfortunately - would have been ACE! (and awesome) to re raise all in and get the call. More value lost


    Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12077102

    CO: $12.94 (80.9 bb)
    BTN: $17.72 (110.7 bb)
    SB: $55.78 (348.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $16 (100 bb)
    UTG: $18.98 (118.6 bb)
    MP: $21.62 (135.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 7
    2 folds, CO calls $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.64) 3 4 7 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, CO raises to $0.72, BTN calls $0.72, SB folds, Hero calls $0.36

    Turn: ($2.80) 9 (3 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.72, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.72

    River: ($8.24) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

    Spoiler:
    Results: $16.24 pot ($0.73 rake)
    Final Board: 3 4 7 9 J
    CO showed Q Q and lost (-$7.60 net)
    Hero showed 4 7 and won $15.51 ($7.91 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    03-06-2012 , 06:12 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    I as thinking - 67/0 fish cant fold an overpair. so I can call. or should i raise? didnt have the courage of my convictions unfortunately - would have been ACE! (and awesome) to re raise all in and get the call. More value lost


      Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12077102

      CO: $12.94 (80.9 bb)
      BTN: $17.72 (110.7 bb)
      SB: $55.78 (348.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $16 (100 bb)
      UTG: $18.98 (118.6 bb)
      MP: $21.62 (135.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 7
      2 folds, CO calls $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, SB completes, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.64) 3 4 7 (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, CO raises to $0.72, BTN calls $0.72, SB folds, Hero calls $0.36

      Turn: ($2.80) 9 (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2.72, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.72

      River: ($8.24) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

      Spoiler:
      Results: $16.24 pot ($0.73 rake)
      Final Board: 3 4 7 9 J
      CO showed Q Q and lost (-$7.60 net)
      Hero showed 4 7 and won $15.51 ($7.91 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
      strange line to take with QQ, I spotted this at 16nl a few times, ****s up my reads.
      I think as played, Its hard to put him on a hand that he will call with worse if you raised.
      Also 56 and sets are in his range perhaps?
      I would have been unhappy about calling the river but I think you have to call him down. When a 67/0 is betting 3 streets I would be a little worried.

      Raising the flop and getting it in is a possibility but its villian dependant, if you figured he might fold top pair etc then just call it down.

      nh we need more of these guys lol limping QQ lol
      03-06-2012 , 06:21 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by chad0x00
      I as thinking - 67/0 fish cant fold an overpair. so I can call. or should i raise? didnt have the courage of my convictions unfortunately - would have been ACE! (and awesome) to re raise all in and get the call. More value lost


        Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12077102

        CO: $12.94 (80.9 bb)
        BTN: $17.72 (110.7 bb)
        SB: $55.78 (348.6 bb)
        Hero (BB): $16 (100 bb)
        UTG: $18.98 (118.6 bb)
        MP: $21.62 (135.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 7
        2 folds, CO calls $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.64) 3 4 7 (4 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, CO raises to $0.72, BTN calls $0.72, SB folds, Hero calls $0.36

        Turn: ($2.80) 9 (3 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $2.72, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.72

        River: ($8.24) J (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

        Spoiler:
        Results: $16.24 pot ($0.73 rake)
        Final Board: 3 4 7 9 J
        CO showed Q Q and lost (-$7.60 net)
        Hero showed 4 7 and won $15.51 ($7.91 net)



        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
        You need to b/f the river there imo, your lucky he bet the river, he check back loads of 1 pair hands that would call a vbet with surely, I see this and think you can get 7 or 8 off this guy on the river
        03-06-2012 , 06:24 AM
        lol @ 88/27 guy who opens for 8x or min opens (or limps) then bets 10c per street who has $40 in a 10nl game and is killing it
        03-06-2012 , 06:24 AM
        The only legit hands that beat you are 33,44,77 and 56, but he calls bets all through the hand with much worse
        03-06-2012 , 06:37 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by chad0x00
        I as thinking - 67/0 fish cant fold an overpair. so I can call. or should i raise? didnt have the courage of my convictions unfortunately - would have been ACE! (and awesome) to re raise all in and get the call. More value lost

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 7
        Anytime you are allowed to see a free flop as BB with ATC is gained value imo.
        This is exactly why you shouldn't limp!
        I am surprised to see this at 16nl.

              
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