One thing that I realized yesterday is that I don't make any moves. I don't bluff or float; all I try to do is value-bet and c-bet well. So I tried to see if there were any good spots today where I could make a move. I want to see if you guys think this hand is a good spot for a float and a bluff.

I didn't have any info on villain but I thought that since I had a gutter and two overs that this would be a good board to float. I also thought that the check on the turn meant that he had an over-pair and was scared of the flush. So that's what I represented.

Overall, what do you guys think? Good spot? How's my bet sizing?

I think your opponent has a set or the but flush draw. Fold flop. Don't worry about 'moves' til you get the basics.

Seems good, because you're representing such a polarized range (flushes that didn't want to 3b the flop) I don't mind betting near pot/pot on the turn, and overbetting/jamming the river.

You are over-valuing your overs + gutter. You only have 3 clean outs to the nuts because of the flush draw and you don't really want to pair your J or Q as it will complete straight-draw hands like QT, JT and 67.

Once we float, that's the worst turn in the deck. Either he's made his straight, made his flush, or his sets/overpairs will check-call at least once. Just because a set or overpair is scared of the flush I wouldn't count on an unknown 4NL player to fold them on this runout. Check back turn and hope to bink imo.

ABC is the best for nL4 imo.

When I know villain can fold, I float/bluff/spazz.

If I have no info, ABC....simple as 123... simple as Do Re Me.

HAVE A REASON to play a hand. I wrote a CoTW thread about cold calling on the flop. Boils down to making the decision PF about whether we can Bust villain or Bluff villain. Meaning, if he is a call station, we can value bet hard whenever we hit the flop. If he is a folder, we can play ATC because, well,,,, he'll fold.

My recommendation is to NEVER leave your ABC game against unknowns.

....and don't forget, a lot of players at the micros won't fold top pair even when obvious draws come in and face aggression, so trying get people off sets or straights is like trying to catch vomit...you can try, but it's gonna be messy!

Kinda what king spew said , but in order to make moves , you must have enough info on your opponent to be able to make the right move . If you have no info , then play an abc game until you know what move to make and why you should make it . as for the hand you posted , fold to his flop raise imo . everything before that is ok . I think I would check the flop and call a turn bet if he makes it there . this way you have seen all 5 cards for the price of your c bet . unless villian makes some overbet ott of course .

If you'd been heads up in position after calling pre-flop, you can float that flop and then bet the flush card, but in this hand you were the c-bettor and got raised on the flop. You therefore have almost no fold equity. Calling the flop raise is spew. Betting 3 streets with queen high is ridiculous.

fold flop

Floating with gutters on flush draw boards with no reads is spew imo.

gunna have to change my name......

Prince Spew?

Mostly grunch:

(What's up with the pot sizes? If you bet .93 into a 1.43 pot ott the pot at the river should be 3.29, not 2.33. Did this hand really happen, or did your guy c/f the flop or turn?)

I would have been more comfortable with a float otf if you had a spade in your hand (BDFD). When you c-bet that flop after raising in the CO, most people won't believe you. (In other words, that flop hits the BB's range more than it hits your range.)


When I see a guy c/r a flop then c/c a turn I think he either has a fast played TP or a draw/air. I expect sets to continue by leading ott.

Since he did in fact c/c the turn, I think shoving the river is the best play here.

At Merge, you're hand is probably dead on the river. The only way to win the pot is to bet it.

+1

dont make any move then valueshove at micros

I tinkered with the HH to delete villain's fold so you guys wouldn't be influenced by the hand. I must have somehow deleted his turn call too so that amount doesn't show up.

Looking back at this, what do you guys think of the flop c-bet? On second glace I think a check-back might be better.

Nah, JT, the CBet is fine for that flop. Size good too.

But as played (at 4NL) it is most definitely a fold to the CBet raise.