Is it possible to make a living from 2/4 no limit online?

yes

What?

Yes.

Would I need a bankroll of $8000? Is it possible and how long would it take a good player to build up from playing .5/.10 to this point?

pretty easy. I'm pretty sure at 400NL rakeback would be enough to live on so long as you play a decent amount and at least break even

Depends on you, some people can get there in less than a year, some will never be able to beat these stakes for whatever reason, imo. When I started cash NLHE I moved up fairly quickly to 100NL(like 1 month) but 200NL and 400NL are tough to beat unless you work hard and have some talent. It's been about 2 months since I moved up and I'm now taking shots at 200NL but you have to play really well, table select well and avoid running bad to be a winner here.

1 thing to consider is thinking you're a "good player". The better I've gotten the more I realize I still suck. I think I am good enough to beat 200NL, but the results aren't there yet and I still make plenty of mistakes, even if others make more.

Oh and I'd consider 8K fine if you move down quickly. Something I might do if I had around 8K, and was beating 200NL, would be playing a session at 2/4 if I was above 8K and a session at 1/2 if I was below 8K when I start thew session. This way if you run bad at the beginning just grind your normal stakes for a few sessions and keep trying till you run hot at the next level

I don't think you should concern yourself with 2/4 if you're still playing 10nl. Focus on 25nl, you can make decent bank there. It's going to take a lot of hands to get up there.

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If you have to ask...

you can make a fine living at 25nl imo

Easy.........

1/2 buyin per day is enough to live on, and if your playing 2/4Nl, you should be able to do that.

Not too hard to make a very decent living at 100NL IMO if you're expenses aren't too high.


5.5 PTBB/100 hands at 100NL = $11 per 100 hands
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600 hands per hour = $66 per hour
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SN at Stars.....let's estimate $13 an hour in FPP value = $79 per hour
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6 hours a day, 5 days a week = $2370 per week
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4 weeks a month = $9480 per month
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10 months a year (2 months vacation) = $94,800 per year - Taxes.



Downside will be no pension, no retirement plan, and no health insurance.....So you need to take care of all that yourself. And I'm not sure how easy it would be to get loans, mortgages, etc.

Depends how good.......but seriously I would guess it would take you quite a few years and might not happen.

Just a couple questions Lego.

600 hands an hour, how many tables you playing? 8 6m?

And you said 'SN at Stars.....let's estimate $13 an hour in FPP value = $79 per hour' Do you mean it's $13 per 100 hands? It's not that substantial is it?

I didn't exactly model those numbers from my statistics. But yea I usually play 8 tables nowadays (like 99% of my play is done at 6max) and estimate 600 hands per hour.



But no I meant $13 per hour, so in that example $13 per 600 hands......it's a rough estimate off my cuff. I think I actually make a few $ more per hour from FPP's than $13.

Right on, thanks.

I used to make a living playing 50NL so it is definitely possible.

However, the advice given so far is good. If you are playing 10NL, don't even think about 400NL. Get good enough to beat 10NL regularly and when you can, move up to 25NL. Then you can repeat the process. However, getting from 10NL to 100NL is generally a LONG Grueling process. Worrying about 400NL right now is just a waste of time/energy.

Define "a living". Over here it's probably possible to make a living playing 5NL. Granted, you'll be able to afford little but food, water, four walls and an internet connection.

Over where?

I think I made less than $2/hour at 5NL 6 tabling. Have to pull up the stats to see exactly, but you'd have to have very low overhead to live off of 5NL, imo.

Define it however you want ... it doesn't matter ... it is possible to make it playing 400NL.

More than possible.

If you make 0.5ptbb/100, 8 tabling 6 max (using lego's experience with 8 tabling 6m)
that's $24/hr (600 hands), plus rakeback/FPPs.

Several somebodys have to lose so that one other player and the poker site can win. Obviously not everyone can be that winning player. Can you be that winning player? Perhaps.

If your choice is between flipping burgers and making a lot more money playing internet poker, fine, but you have to realize that intenet poker could dry up at any time. Once the bots conquer the level you are playing at (this could happen next year or not for another 15 years -- nobody knows until after it happens) the fish will stop playing it and your income stream will disappear. If your choice is between online poker and developing a career with lots of future potential then online poker as a job seems like a bad choice.

you just made me realise something i was thinking about today man...

thanks. no jokes. a moment of clarity just hit me one.

it sounds like you think bots have conquered a certain level of poker already....?

u can make a living playing 100nl + 60%+ rb. Its all about volume. You can be a mediocre winning player and still make a killing as long as youre putting in the hours.