So i just 0.05/0.10 Zoom 6-Max Cash Game, yes i know.. small stakes im pretty new whaterver.

I was bluffing this dude and was pretty certain he didnt have anything big but he kept calling me. I had nothing but i was certain that i would scare him away, usually works. What could i done diffrently? Was the bet sizing to big and obvious? And was the other player just as ******o as me for calling that or was it solely on me?

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PokerStars Zoom Hand #170842047788: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2017/05/24 8:55:49 CET [2017/05/24 2:55:49 ET]
Table 'Donati' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ruta477 ($4.64 in chips)
Seat 2: TazzaSg ($2.41 in chips)
Seat 3: AfroTheft ($5.05 in chips)
Seat 4: vml13 ($2.76 in chips)
Seat 5: PSergey ($7.67 in chips)
Seat 6: ErwinRommél ($3.80 in chips)
TazzaSg: posts small blind $0.02
AfroTheft: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErwinRommél [Th 3h]
vml13: folds
PSergey: folds
ErwinRommél: raises $0.10 to $0.15
ruta477: raises $0.10 to $0.25
TazzaSg: folds
AfroTheft: folds
ErwinRommél: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9s 4h]
ErwinRommél: checks
ruta477: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 9s 4h] J♣
ErwinRommél: bets $0.21
ruta477: raises $0.21 to $0.42
ErwinRommél: raises $1.08 to $1.50
ruta477: calls $1.08
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9s 4h Jc] 9♥
ErwinRommél: bets $2.05 and is all-in
ruta477: calls $2.05
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ErwinRommél: shows [Th 3h] (a pair of Nines)
ruta477: shows [8c As] (a pair of Nines - Ace kicker)
ruta477 collected $7.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.67 | Rake $0.32
Board [Qd 9s 4h Jc 9h]
Seat 1: ruta477 (button) showed [8c As] and won ($7.35) with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: TazzaSg (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: AfroTheft (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: vml13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: PSergey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ErwinRommél showed [Th 3h] and lost with a pair of Nines

Thats why the old Value bet before bluff still holds true even in nit fest Zoom, he felt pot committed :P (joke)


Could also be he had a note on you that you never 3bet your monstors/draws, or could be your trying to bluff stations.?

What are you doing raising T3 on the CO? And what do you mean "I was sure he had nothing"? People love to slowplay a set on such a flop or he just turned a straight and you're pretty much drawing dead.

Really?

Well, I would fold pre-flop. You do have a pretty crappy hand.

Ok, so you raise pre-flop on the CO. The Btn min-3bets you. Well, I would fold. Again, you do have a pretty crappy hand.

And I'll just fast forward: Villain ends up calling you down with A high. Don't try to bluff people who will call you down with A high in a context like this. You can't bluff people who will not fold. Instead value bet against them more thinly.

Since he 3-betted me preflop i put him on a ace and a hígh kicker. I didnt think he hit anything, but im just frustrated that he decided to call all-in with ace high. I though i showed superiorty, but clearly not.

And thanks for the input all, i can see that i should have folded when i failed my blinds steal preflop.

But how do i know which people that are bluffable? Cause im playing micro stakes and its impossible to gather information on so many players. And by Value bet you mean to make the bluff look more geniune?

By value bet, I mean bet when you have a good hand that has greater than 50% equity against hands your opponent will call with.

If villain is an unknown, then you can't know his tendencies so well. So you have to assume some sort of average and consider the board of course. I don't think I'm explaining this so well right now. But you yourself said "i put him on a ace and a hígh kicker". You mean like AQ? And in reality he could also have AA, KK, QQ. After seeing the raise on the turn he could possibly have KQ or KT.

I mean there is basically no information on the opponent, but he is playing this one hand anyway like he has a strong hand and we know you have a weak hand. So ....

So he can't have aces, kings, queens, jacks, tens?

So he can't have QQ, JJ, KTs, T8s etc?

In poker you don't just guess but you give someone a range of hands he can have. "You didn't think he had anything" basically means you are excluding all the good hands from his range, why is that? When people say they "think" he didn't have anything they usually mean they hope he has AK.

You made a massive spew and villain was a calling station. That never works out well.

Was it your first bluff at that table?

There's a clue in the first line of the OP

What did you do wrong? Let me count the ways.

1. Zoom.
2. No reads.
3. Played with less than a full buy-in
4. Didn't fold pre with T3s
5. Felt sure he had nothing when he could reasonably have AQ or AJ
6. Didn't fold to his turn raise
7. Reraised his turn raise with air
8. Bluffed river after he told you he wasn't going anywhere by calling your turn reraise.
9. Tried to bluff someone who was either a calling station or who had a read on you.

I started to write a long post about stuff you did wrong, but actually the more I looked at it the more I figured you only made one major mistake as far as I'm concerned, and that was on the turn.

Pre-flop your raise is loose, but the call of the 3 bet is reasonable. It's only another $0.10 to see a flop and if you fold every time someone 3 bets you that crappy size then you're easily exploitable.

On the flop you wisely check as you have nothing and the board is fairly wet. Both Queens and Jacks are likely to be in your villain's range of hands they are likely to 3 bet, although obviously an Ace is even more likely. The turn is interesting because it gives you both a straight and a flush draw and that is a good opportunity to fire off a semi-bluff.

It's a semi-bluff because you want to get some money into the pot so that if you hit your hand (particularly the flush) then you will be able to realise some equity, but if you get a better hand to fold then that's even better. So, I think you need to make a decent sized bet, possibly pot sized, hoping for a fold but okay with a call.

When you bet a bit smaller, your villain thinks it's weak and decides to get aggressive with a raise. I think you should call with your hand, but I don't like the re-raise. There's a good chance you're beat and re-raising doesn't accomplish anything. If he had a really good hand then he might re-raise you, possibly all in, and then you have to throw away your excellent draw.

It's also turning the whole thing into a bit of a pissing contest and he calls because he doesn't want to get bullied off the pot. Now you've made the pot bigger than it should have been and when you shove on the river he feels more pot committed, partly because of the size of the shove versus the size of the pot, but also partly because he called your re-raise on the turn, so why not call on the river? Another 9 doesn't change anything for him.

So, in summary I think that a call on the turn would have been better than a re-raise and then you would have had an option to fold or shove on the river. I feel a shove would be more successful after a call because the bet versus the size of the pot would be more prohibitive to a call.

However, I wouldn't necessarily advocate a bluff on the river because I think you really have to think that he showed a fair bit of strength pre-flop with his 3 bet and he raised you on the turn. These are usually not the actions of a person who has nothing and is likely to fold to a shove.

My bad.

That's some great advice all! Thank you very much, read it all carefully. Hopefully i will not make this loose mistake another time!

If I were you, I would have let the flop determine whether or not you were going to continue the bluff or not. Checking on the flop is what hurt your bluff. He probably would have folded, figuring you to have some sort of pair.

Once you get him on the turn and river, he's figuring you missed whatever draw you were checking towards, and are now bluffing to get back your preflop bet. You're not gonna have the J or the 9, because otherwise you would have bet the flop. I don't think the villain even notices the straight draw here, they just see that their ace is higher than the face cards. I feel the villain would have folded the moment you bet the flop. Even if he called or raised, you could have checked the turn and river to see if he would bet so you could fold.

He didn't read your bluff, so much as that the moment you checked the flop, the villain was ready to go all in on the turn.

Raising pre-flop is bad.

Calling the 3bet is bad.

Betting the flop would be bad. Villain 3bet hero pre-flop. Hero has nothing on the flop. Why would hero lead into villain? Checking flop is good. I would probably check the flop with my entire range including hands that contain a Q, J or 9.

3betting the turn is bad.

Shoving the river is bad.

Betting slightly less than half pot on the turn after turning an OESD was probably ok. Should have just called villain's turn raise. No reason to expect him to fold and you actually have direct odds to draw to the straight.

OK here let me try to break down how I see this.

Raising pre-flop was okay. It showed Hero that no one was willing to bet.

The flop comes. You might have been able to take it down here with a 3 bet. The villain flopped nothing. If they had hit, they would bet and give you the chance to save money folding. If they call or fold, you're in a strong position to bluff. The villain gets to bet that you hit nothing on 2 more cards, or risk that you hit something on the first 3 cards. Personally if you bet the flop, I would have folded as the villain.

Turn - losing money

River - if you were betting on the river, I would have told you that you were too devoted to your hand Most hands get called by the time they reach the river, so you're out of time to bluff!

A bet on the flop might have taken the pot down, I agree, and generally you should be bluffing on the flop more than at any other time. It's also noted that there is no flush draw, not too many straight draws, and one high card (the Queen). That makes it a good board to try a bluff usually.

However, there are some other things to consider. Firstly, villain's c-bet pre-flop, which means he likely has a hand where even if he hasn't connected he'll still want to see a turn. For example, almost any pocket pair is likely to stick around if you make a small bet on the flop, and pocket pairs are likely in his range when he c-bet.

Secondly, hands with Queens, Kings and Aces are very likely to be in his c-bet range and villain has no blockers, so there's a pretty good chance he hit the Queen on the flop.

Finally, hero's hand was a speculative call and sometimes that's fine, but you have to accept it's speculative and not let things get out of control.

It was a call out of position, so hero has no information on his villain other than he c-bet pre-flop. With the c-bet, you suspect villain will call a small or half pot-size bet on the flop even if he doesn't have a great hand, so you need to make a big bet to scare him away. The trouble with that is there's a very good chance he has a good hand, so you could just be throwing more money away. It's not the best bluffing spot in my opinion.

In your analysis, you're too aware of what the villain had, so it's easy to say he would have folded on the flop to a bet. However, if you put yourself in the hero's shoes, you don't know what the villain had and therefore have to think carefully about the possible range of hands that c-bet pre-flop.

I knew my intuition was right about this at the least. It felt weird seeing the Hero check the flop and then try to bet the turn.

Thank you I am new to the forums (and analysing poker hands) and this is why I am still in the Beginner section. Putting myself in the Hero's shoes is difficult, but I still know what my gut feelings are on a hand.

(I would have bet on the flop and it would have been a mental struggle to let go on the turn and not keep betting - analysis of myself)

My best bet is likely to post my own hands so that I can show my own speculations

Thanks again!

Got got raised pre-flop.
Then you did not C-bet after the flop, but checked.
Poorly played.

I fkn hate nits (not good @ playing em), gotta know when they will station off tho

Anybody that thinks PS 10nlz zoom is currently a nit fest isn't playing it.

Period.

Neither is 25nlz.

I've played neither but i've played 2nl zoom on stars and god damn that was nitty as hell