Hello,

A comment in another message I make, and Yes, I understand I was asked politely not to have two messages on the first page here, but this is of a different tune/matter and I shall be away from computers for a short time so I shall not have another until I do.

So, Listen.

I come across the term Weak Tight here in this message. I see ajrenni has been very Helpful in the past and he would not Lob insult which I first think It is. I would have thought the roundabout connotations and little womanish flavor was but No, it is a legitimate term. I believe I am as the term describes. I am going to put a few hands here, yes, more than one, for that offense seems more desirably than multiple Message, yes? Yes.

Also, my comment on difficulty with deposit is due to restrictive laws here in United States. Perhaps those in Europe/And Elsewhere are unaware but it is with great difficulty, credit cards are not accepted. I do not trust the Bank with regards to Poker as the coming and future sociopolitical infrastructure is heading towards a mild Tyranny. I am playing for pennies, yes? So the money is not frightening, In the casino where I play for more (Still not much compared to some/most) I could reach into my pocket. Here I must find another small silly card that is accepted, which was difficult to obtain. I brought more than one that did not work as All of these Pre-Paid cards are hustle/scams in most regards. And most stores and business do not carry most varieties.

I digress.


First off, I do not believe that these are the Bad Beats. Here is what I consider Bad Beat for example:
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $2.68
MP: $0.90
CO: $13.23
BTN: $2.89
Hero (SB): $2.00
BB: $2.80
UTG: $3.54

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A A
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, Hero raises to $2 all in, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.98, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.06) 8 5 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($4.06) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.06) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.06
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
UTG shows A 7 (a straight, Five to Nine)
UTG wins $3.86
(Rake: $0.20)


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $4.83
BTN: $5.00
SB: $5.04
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $13.25
UTG+1: $5.99
MP: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.07 all in, MP calls $1.85 all in, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.17) 8 7 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($4.17) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.17) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $4.17
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
MP shows J T (a straight, Seven to Jack)
MP wins $3.97
(Rake: $0.20)

Yes, I have no question on these. I can not play this differently. They are infuriating and they are Many.

My question comes from looking at my POker Tracker wins/loss section.

I win money over all with
1. Straight Flush
2. Four of Kind
3. Full House
4. Flush
5. Straight
6. Three of Kind
7. Two Pair.

But

I loose (and a great deal)

With One Pair.



So I shall present a few examples.

If any of these strike you as particular poor comment.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $3.23
UTG+2: $6.17
MP1: $5.97
MP2: $4.49
CO: $2.97
BTN: $1.60
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $4.55

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K J
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, 5 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) 2 4 J (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, UTG folds

Turn: ($0.23) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.55) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $2.80, Hero calls $1.74 all in

Final Pot: $4.03
UTG+2 shows J 7 (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Hero shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
UTG+2 wins $3.83
(Rake: $0.20)

This was I believe before I was informed by ajrenni I believe about Stack To Pot ratio. But if I fold here, am I considered Weak Tight unless the numbers on the character are in the 50/something/50 range? I believe I should have raised the Flop here, though I do not think he is folding. I have looked over my hands and a Raise on the Flop has almost every time resulted in an All in situation.


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $0.98
BTN: $1.30
SB: $4.43
BB: $2.38
Hero (UTG): $2.00
UTG+1: $2.63
MP1: $1.09
MP2: $5.93

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) 3 8 J (3 players)
BB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, BB calls $0.18

Turn: ($1.09) 7 (3 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.64 all in, MP2 calls $1.64, BB folds

River: ($4.57) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.57
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
MP2 shows T 9 (a straight, Seven to Jack)
MP2 wins $4.37
(Rake: $0.20)


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $5.13
BB: $5.52
UTG: $3.53
Hero (UTG+1): $2.03
UTG+2: $1.95
MP1: $1.02
MP2: $1.03
CO: $2.91
BTN: $1.31

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, UTG+2 calls $0.06, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.15) K 3 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, UTG+2 calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, UTG+2 calls $0.18

River: ($0.71) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.34, UTG+2 raises to $0.68, Hero calls $0.34

Final Pot: $2.07
Hero mucks K A
UTG+2 shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
UTG+2 wins $1.97
(Rake: $0.10)


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG+1): $2.61
MP1: $10.40
MP2: $2.67
CO: $0.79
BTN: $3.51
SB: $4.73
BB: $2.00
UTG: $4.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.34, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.61 all in, 1 fold, CO calls $0.73 all in, SB calls $2.27

Flop: ($6.09) 4 3 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($6.09) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($6.09) 6 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $6.09
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
CO shows 7 7 (a straight, Four to Eight)
SB shows K K (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $3.44
CO wins $2.35
(Rake: $0.30)


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $2.46
Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $3.12
BB: $3.21
UTG: $2.44

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.04, SB calls $0.03, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.10) 3 5 J (2 players)
SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.22) J (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.42) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Final Pot: $0.82
Hero mucks Q Q
SB shows 4 J (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
SB wins $0.82
(Rake: $0.00)


For Many of these hands I had not had Poker Tracker on my computer.
In the hand above, the Queen Queen, I do have the mans numbers.
He was 80/40/70. I assume I should have raised him on the flop, regardless of his disgusting achievement.


Also, On numbers.

I have seen on Poker Table Ratings the men/women who play these tiny blinds, those who have the largest win rates. Around 12/bb 100 and I have more than a two of them in my Poker Tracker Database.

Their numbers are as in this range. 10/5 (Aggression Frequency around 20 post flop different streets different though) 11/3 40 (same thing in regards this number)
I shall assume that these numbers would be bad in large games.
Are these numbers indicator of Weak Tight. Mine are similar to this.

Some of these characters that I see, that have such as 70/2 act like soft skulls and I cannot put them on a hand, though In retrospect I see of course.


Thank You in advance.
I understand there Is hesitancy towards verbiage but alas I see only this current way to write letter.
As Note, I most likely will not be able to respond with swiftness and am not being rude.

I was going to post a helpful reply. But seriously dude that is far tl:dr

You put in 2 pointless hand histories. And then 5 HH you want comments on. All of that on top of a short novel.

If you want general hands looked over please sign up for the HH session reviews in the appropriate forums.

Try and keep the hands 1 to a thread. Also dont worry about only playing 1c/2c, anyone who berates or makes fun because is sad.

ok i looked over them. im too soft, had to see what you were wanting to know I can tell you your bet sizings sucks. You always seem to bet 1/2 pot. Its 1c/2c, you know they way people complain because they are calling stations, well take advantage of that and bet pot with your strong hands.

People with high winrates has these because they are getting the maximum amount of money when ahead. You are getting minimum and letting others draw profitably.

Hand 1. Either Raise PF or put a raise in on the flop.

hand 2. Raise more on flop. Also 3bb raise is fine but maybe pump it to 4bb on strong hands, noone at 1c/2c is going to hand read well enough to know

hand 3. Ugh those bet sizes. I wana vomit. Be lucky he slowplayed his set and min raised the river

hand 4. Dood gtfo of here with that hand. What do you want to hear.

hand 5. Raise flop for christ sake


also HH are pretty much useless without reads or stats

don't post coolers
stop calling so much postflop, bet, raise or fold (unless it's a really dry board, in which case you might want to slow down sometimes on the turn)

In general, with one pair hands, if you play a fairly tight preflop game at these stakes then you should generally be in a position where you are dominating your opponent more often than you are dominated.

Taking this hand as an example:

I'd assume you'd be good a lot of the time here since you're only dominated by AJ, but ahead of QJ, JT, J9, J8 etc...so in these sort of spots, you should really be quite happy to go for 3 streets of value with potsized bets. A lot of your profits at 2NL will come from these sort of spots where both you and your opponent have top pair, but you have a better kicker.

That as it may be, we need to understand how to asses the strength of our hand in light of aggression from our opponent. I would go as far as to say that, as a general rule, most of the time when you hold top pair and are raised - other than by a guy who you know to be very bluffy and aggressive - you're fine to lay it down. This is especially true on the turn or river, where your opponents are more likely to have a made hand already and therefore less likely to turn it into a bluff.

There are a few other niggling issues in the hands you posted that I won't get into, since your post mostly seems to concern the fact that you're struggling to show profit with one pair hands. I'll make one last point about your betsizing and calling tendencies.

Whether or not the river call was correct is completely read dependant, but the point is that players at 2NL - including yourself - are happy to get all of their money in with top pair. Given this, think about your betsizing in this hand, and how much more money you could extract from flush draws and weaker kings by betting bigger on each street. Because at 2NL you have to c/f so often when you miss since you can't bluff guys that will call with anything, you really have to take advantage of their calling tendencies when you do hit a hand. Bet frquently and bet big potsized bets to extract maximum value.

The AK hand at the end there, you be better off check/fold. My thought is: yes you had TPTK, but if you bet. What worse hands will call? Theres not many is there?

More hands that will call like KQ, K9, Q9, J10, AJ etc

Im trying to get off playing weak tight, but im finding myself getting way to agressive and not thinking about that hand ranges or what the villians has done in the past "i have TPTK aw in broo!"

One thing i keep thinking about after playing is that:
a) People rarely bluff at the micros
b) If you get reraised etc, they do have something 90% of the time

tl:wr

dear master Giliber,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...hreads-333844/

why? posting hands where you get AA all in preflop are absolutely silly and you absolutely know this because kirk knows youve been abused in this regard for posting stuff that will surely get the attention of cartman like authoritay! Seriously dear senior statemans with fine words.. i dont mean to mock you and your elderly ways (im not as young as u think sir) but youve been round here long enough and CHASTISED long enough to know that posting hands were you have the bonafide absolutely essential NUTs and lose is not how you win favours of the kiddies of the forum. so i give u no latitude nor longitude in thus regard and since you have morals and objectivity you'd be wise to not take me to task on this matter of posting hands where ur nuts are all in and you lose after the fact.

i trust u'll absorb my advice even though i am a little younger than your statesmanly self not because im part of a hidden groub of gentelman who discuss stuff in secret but because I AM RIGHT when i gently tell you that posting hnads where ur have the nuts and lose after all the little chips go in the middle is not appropriate except in a forum known as BBV. i have not yet locked this thread because you entertain me and more importantly because NOT all of these hands are trivial............the KJ , AK and last QQ hand may actually require some discussion.......

btw mr Gibley, 1 hand per thread is standard.........if YOU cant be standard then at least give a reason that isnt vague or INconsequential.

Quick summary for your insanely long post:

1. If you get it all-in with AA PF, you're doing it right regardless of the outcome.
2. Bet 4xbb or more PF.
3. Bet more and larger on flop if you have the best hand. Stop the villian from chasing a draw.
4. Stop calling raises when you have the best hand. Re-raise that sucker.

I'm quite sure that if you're raising your big hands for a lot more preflop, instead of 3x, you'll see the same amount of action with a lot more value.

In 2NL, players are always chasing their draws. Weak/tight is going to fail because you're playing far too few hands and the blinds are just chipping away at your potential value. When you get expected wins of aipf QQ+ it keeps you even and when you lose that 25% of the time it sinks you. You have to start thinking in terms of opponent's ranges preflop and exploiting people who chase cards. You want to play as many pots as possible against calling stations but that doesn't mean you're winning every one of those pots.

Build up a big pot preflop with hands ahead of villains' ranges and just exploit their playstyle by folding if you miss and continuing if you hit. There's no reason to burn chips against a calling station if you have nothing. There's no reason to not cbet a 70/2 player who is folding to 85% of cbets.

e - don't slowplay anything against a calling station either.

I appreciate getting the benefit of the doubt, because it was not my intention to insult you. Weak-tight play is very common among new players who have learned some preflop standards, figured out how pot odds work, and who understand the whole small pots-small hands/big pots-big hands thing. And for all I know, weak-tight play is potentially quite profitable at 2NL, to the extent that the fish are just calling, calling, calling all day. The spewtards at 2NL (whether they are raising with air or just seriously overplaying hands like top pair no kicker) will take many pots away from you though. You are going to have to figure out when it is appropriate to commit and when it is okay to fold. SPR is a big help for that, but it is not the end of the story.

Focus on learning how to read hands, put people on ranges, to estimate your equity against different ranges, and to make plays that maximize your expectation against these ranges. I didn't read through any of the hands you posted, but from what I have seen, putting people on ranges and selecting the right times to be aggressive seems to be a big problem, likely because you remember the bad beats more keenly than the victories. However, if you start racheting up the aggression with top pair hands and even 2nd pair against the right players, you will see that you can win many decent-sized pots when they call hefty bets on the flop and turn with draws that ultimately miss, when they call 3 streets without even top pair, or when they spaz out with 2nd pair and hand you their stack. Remember these hands when you are placing opponents on ranges.

Please OP, for all that is holy, stop capitalizing every other word in your posts.

Hello,

I shall keep this brief, yes? I see that a line or more is considered novelistic here, but no not truly. Yes.

Some good comments, I thank
Crazyfool1985
JamieGoldeen
Logieuk
Superdonk26
3r1cw
ajrenni

For responding in different degrees.

As for OziBattler, I am glad you are amused, perhaps as much as when you are waltzing a joey round the Bush. You have decided Not to Lock/Censor/ And Other severe and restricted repression of thought/speech. This I am glad for.

I must state, As I stated in the Original Letter, I included examples of what I believe Bad Beats are in front to illustrate that the latter Is what I do not consider Bad Beat, I had no desire to have comment on them. Perhaps the third Ace Ace hand was of question but I had question on it due to the structure and the nature of the betting.

Listen, I put legitimate hands of question in subject and am wonderfully glad as a cat in a cage that there were some you found Deemed worth of study. Yes? Also, I have never claimed I am a geriatric or any other form of old man. I perhaps make mention of the infantile nature of some because they seem to act and speak like soft skulls. Or idiot children, perhaps.

Thank You

waltzing a joey around the bush?

Post Note: To the Lady above,This comment is in simple jest. No ill intent. Lob a tomato at me I will not toss back a stone, just a tomato.

I try to edit my message but It would not allow me to do so. I had not wanted to create another.

hi mr Giblet, thankyou for allowing me to have a little good natured fun and add some colour to my post but please dont let that get in the way of the message in my post. sometimes i feel your questions get lost in the fuzz that surrounds your posts. see you did have some valid questions in the thread but they were hard to find, particularly last night when i was rather tired after playing the poker. i too sometimes write too much when i try to give all the relevant info. anyway carry on sir, god speed.

oh and btw if i tried to waltz with a joey it would probably try and rip my head off.......aussie animals are a wild bunch

watch out for those drop bears, they'll f**k you up bad

Mr Giblet, the reason your post/threads get so much trolling is because of the way you word them and include ridiculous amounts of pointless info. I dont know if english is your first language but mine is and i have trouble making them out.

Im sure if you kept your post short and simple you'd get reasonable answers. This isnt an english literature class. Write as if you were saying it. Keep it short and simple. People coming onto 2+2 for 15mins are going to read the short well laid out posts rather than read through your novels

Something like this would do.

Hello,

To Crazyfool1985, I understand your comment on brevity. I do not think I received any attacks in this particular message? No? Only one or two TLDR (an unusual and strange concept for even though I read extremely fast, I should think computer raised youths and others should be adept at processing Information. Perhaps the disjointed/fragmented nature has set this off course.) My comments on Australia are only meant in decent fun. I have been set on by others who I might see As Trolls but I do not think here I have had any.
In any event we are not reading scroll here, simply statements on poker.



In any event, I can not use your words anymore than your would use mine, I tried being short and brief as I was told this was de rigeur for computer speak and found more problems than now.



NEW PROBLEM

I was looking over my biggest losing hands on POKERTABLERATINGS and there are several hands that I do not have in Poker Tracker. I had Emailed Poker Stars for my past hands, I believe I had emailed for the past 3 months which was when I started playing the Cash games.

(I SHALL post this question in subsection here but some of these subsections are little trafficked and one question in particular posted at lest a month past received no answers and perhaps no one ever saw it, so I post here where traffic is heavy)

I had imported them into Poker Tracker and it claims almost over 6 thousand hands less than Poker Table Ratings has.

Question? I had downloaded three Text Files and imported them, should I try this again. It took close to Twelve hours to do the first time. Though someone has informed me I imported wrong, I did not do a Manuel Import. Perhaps this did something. (The hands happened during the time in which the Text Documents were supposed to cover)


Also, here is a had i was looking at in PokerTable Ratings of the type that gives me trouble.

I am told conflicting things.

Namely First. I should consider Pot To Stack ratio, but also not play Weak Tight.


Here is a general outline. If this person is labeled with poker tracker numbers such as 10/3 or something similar I would fold obviously.


I hold ACE ACE. I raise Huge in Early Position. Perhaps 12 cent.

Two Or three callers.

When I continuation bet it should be large, I am told. Yes? So because of the pot size, my bet is quite large.


Several Times I have been check raised. Each Time It was to a set. If I call the check raise I am left with around One Pot Sized bet. So it seems more appropriate to shove here.

Is this a fold unless the person has numbers to indicate that they are an aggressive mule?


I cannot provide the Hand History because this and several others are absent from poker tracker.

Thank You.

Post Note: I am fragmenting my sentences for those who have difficulty/aggression towards reading two consecutive lines. I received warning/infraction/chastisement for spacing words in this manner. Listen, I would be happy to write One long paragraph, but people object, so to the various Overseers this is my reasoning.

Edited for readability. Mr. Giblet, compare this to your original message to see how you can condense your writing and be a better friend to the reader.