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09-09-2010 , 10:18 PM

Fofogamadus

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hey guys, what "style" of hold'em has less variance? MTT, STT or cash?

I suppose its MTT > STT > cash? And what about SNG DoNs?

And what about limit cash?

Thanks.

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09-09-2010 , 11:17 PM

mmac900

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Id say the opposite, cash < stt < mtt. Lowest to highest.

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09-09-2010 , 11:37 PM

sqwerty12

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Originally Posted by mmac900

Id say the opposite, cash < stt < mtt. Lowest to highest.

I think you said the same.
both of you are right

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09-09-2010 , 11:40 PM

sqwerty12

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The larger the field the larger the variance.
To win an MTT you need the stars to align. You might need to win 10 70/30's and even though you're a favourite in all of them you're about 500:1 to win them all.
In cash...every hand is independent.

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09-10-2010 , 12:18 AM

dostofan

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Originally Posted by Fofogamadus

hey guys, what "style" of hold'em has less variance? MTT, STT or cash?

I suppose its MTT > STT > cash? And what about SNG DoNs?

And what about limit cash?

Thanks.

Limit cash has greater variance than no-limit cash.

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09-10-2010 , 12:29 AM

K00PASC00PA

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Originally Posted by sqwerty12

The larger the field the larger the variance.

this.

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09-10-2010 , 04:16 AM

crazyriver

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actually imo sng has less variance than cash o_O

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09-10-2010 , 04:22 AM

TBobLP

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Originally Posted by dostofan

Limit cash has greater variance than no-limit cash.

ummm, explain?

Last edited by TBobLP; 09-10-2010 at 04:22 AM. Reason: he's wrong

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09-10-2010 , 04:22 AM

Nietzchean Nibbles

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"To win an MTT you need the stars to align. You might need to win 10 70/30's and even though you're a favourite in all of them you're about 500:1 to win them all."

Absolutely agree. Which is also why you'll often find that people/pros who excel at the game offline are, more usually than not, rated lowly at online MTT's.

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09-10-2010 , 05:34 AM

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DreadX

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Originally Posted by sqwerty12

The larger the field the larger the variance.

And the more control you have how the money goes in, the less variance you can achieve (Going AI by overbetting the pot 5x in NL usually prevents you from being outdrawn by a gutshot)

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09-10-2010 , 10:15 AM

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pokaaface

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Going AI by overbetting the pot 5x in NL usually prevents you from being outdrawn by a gutshot

And since you can't bet 5x the pot in limit cash, it has higher variance.

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09-10-2010 , 07:55 PM

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Fofogamadus

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And what about DoNs?

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09-10-2010 , 11:33 PM

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speedyworm

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Originally Posted by pokaaface

Going AI by overbetting the pot 5x in NL usually prevents you from being outdrawn by a gutshot

And since you can't bet 5x the pot in limit cash, it has higher variance.

I think this concept is wrong... Same goes. If you're overbetting and preventing a suckout.

Say you bet 2/3 pot. and he hits gutshot in NL he can bet fullpot = higher variance if you call down (hard to put someone on gutshot)

Whereas in limit. you bet 1 BB he calls. you bet 2 BB or w/e on turn he calls. he hits gutshot. you bet 2BB he can only minraise it i think? I'm not a limit player but I think if your a equally good player at Fix limit vs NL i think No limit is way higher variance.

If someone who plays both a lot.. and I'm wrong please enlighten me.. but this is what i think

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09-11-2010 , 02:54 AM

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RobFarha

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I play cash because I dont want to play a tourney for 4 hrs and bubble.

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09-11-2010 , 02:57 AM

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JPII

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Not that this was really your quest. but........

No matter what type of poker u are playing, it is possible for your actions to control the variance to some, if not to a large degree. Shoving all ur draws will obv raise your variance for ex.

Learning to play a little smarter and safer can def. control it to a large degree. I see people increasing their variance needlessly all the time. Raising when a call was the better move. Shoving their flush draw, after vill bets, when peeling a card was the better move, not shoving Ak pre, and flipping for stacks, etc.

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09-11-2010 , 03:03 AM

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CBorders

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Originally Posted by TBobLP

ummm, explain?

Same reason MTT's and PLO can be much more swingy than NL cash.

Last edited by CBorders; 09-11-2010 at 03:03 AM. Reason: he's right

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09-11-2010 , 03:31 AM

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Fofogamadus

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Originally Posted by CBorders

Same reason MTT's and PLO can be much more swingy than NL cash.

ummm, explain?

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09-11-2010 , 06:08 AM

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Rek

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Don't let variance worry you. It's irrelevant.

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09-11-2010 , 12:38 PM

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DiamondDog

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I can feel another one of those my variance is bigger than your variance threads coming on.

Off topic (OP was talking about Hold'em) but can't help thinking Stud Hi MTT's must be good for one's mental game ...

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