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06-17-2013 , 03:23 PM
Random hilarity:

06-17-2013 , 04:10 PM
Bad luck continues. I lose to AJ. Have 2 blockers. Still.... Quite depressing to be b/e after RB, not even b/e now Breakeven after starting tag again. Combine lag losses and plo "rungood" and it's one of the worst months ever. -10$ EV and -70$ losses. RB is good though, reduces losses a lot. Just have to stay confident and keep believing in what you do. The EV-gap is from omaha, bout 55$, playing vs whale deep stacked. Didn't play so well after starting over NLHE, but could use some rungood afterwards.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $2.64 (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: $4.88 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: $2.31 (VPIP: 38.26, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 117)
Hero (BTN): $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.36, 3 players) J K A
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, SB calls $0.28, BB calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.20, 3 players) 5
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.20, 3 players) A
SB bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, SB raises to $2.24, fold, Hero calls $0.44

Spoiler:
SB shows J A (Full House, Aces full of Jacks) (Pre 31%, Flop 12%, Turn 15%)
Hero mucks J J (Full House, Jacks full of Aces) (Pre 69%, Flop 88%, Turn 85%)
SB wins $5.87

Just another barreling spot. Ok to give up vs unknown? 3bb, not much. Not sure if i should fire turn but the guy checked again. Don't think ace high is good on showdown. At this level they should rarely donk as bluff.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.08 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BTN: $2.09 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB: $5.09 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: $4.41 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG: $2.71 (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (MP): $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, SB calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) J 8 9
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.28, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

River: ($0.68, 2 players) 6
SB bets $0.34, fold
06-17-2013 , 04:13 PM
Pretty hard to show strength with a turn raise if you check behind on flop??? Perhaps if OOP and you check, then bet turn, but if you check IP on the flop, that's dead weakness. Can't show strength after that, without a serious scare card... 4s is not a scare card
06-17-2013 , 04:19 PM
Yeh. Not repping anything. Think river is fold in all cases, he should know what i have approximately. Any pair is good, even PP
06-17-2013 , 04:21 PM
Yeah, as played, definitely fold.. but I do think a cbet on the flop might take it down more often than a bet on the turn..
06-17-2013 , 04:44 PM
About H2, don't really like a cbet on that flop

H1 Would be so happy with the A OTR but unlucky he had AJ, can happen

32/11 guy after 47 hands, standard fold otr?
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    CO: $13.12 (131.2 bb)
    BTN: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
    SB: $3.77 (37.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): $11.03 (110.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A J
    CO folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.65) J T A (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

    Turn: ($1.45) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.10, BTN raises to $2.20, Hero calls $1.10

    River: ($5.85) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.85 pot ($0.26 rake)
    Final Board: J T A 2 3
    BTN mucked and won $5.59 ($2.69 net)
    Hero mucked A J and lost (-$2.90 net)
    06-17-2013 , 04:56 PM
    Tough spot. These guys are nutpeddlers, but you have top two. What does he raise with on the turn? Two pair, flopped straight, set. I guess that he would put at least a min-raise PF with TT,JJ, KQ. I think it's a call since you block a lot of the board. If he did have TT, good for him. Sample size is quite small to determine whether he is fish or a loose passive. Of course real loose passive is not going to min-raise with anything less than the nuts, got to have some dignity yo
    Decided to bury the hatchet with the big PLO hand i posted. The guy was an amateur, got lucky. Good for him. I trust my decision as poker player that i made the right choice. Not the most profitable one, but decent. Not going to bother myself anymore with it or lose good night sleep

    Last edited by Fishtankz; 06-17-2013 at 05:08 PM.
    06-17-2013 , 06:09 PM
    Roszz, make ur decision on the turn. Don't call turn to fold a blank river, lighting money on fire
    06-17-2013 , 06:19 PM
    I would put vil on AT, JT, A2s far more than a set. For a flopped set vil would have had to have limped in with AA, JJ or TT, very unlikely without reads. For a turned 22 vil would have had to have called a flop c-bet on that board, again very unlikely and a very small number of combos. Folding the best hand is lighting money on fire too
    06-17-2013 , 07:45 PM
    Clearly running hotter than the sun to have a graph like this as a player of my skill at Zoom 2NL. Pretty unorthodox way to make a profit, but when I see villain looks like giving up on a hand, I'm probably gonna force him out of the pot regardless of what I have tbh and then I've often had pretty good hands when I show down. The players though are crazy bad, even I can exploit them. The fish is on fire

    Currently liking my decision to switch to Stars from Party

    06-17-2013 , 07:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by denks
    I would put vil on AT, JT, A2s far more than a set. For a flopped set vil would have had to have limped in with AA, JJ or TT, very unlikely without reads. For a turned 22 vil would have had to have called a flop c-bet on that board, again very unlikely and a very small number of combos. Folding the best hand is lighting money on fire too
    Forgot the obvious KQ though again would have had to have limped in with it. couldn't be bothered counting combos atm.
    06-17-2013 , 08:38 PM
    Anyone ever sold Zynga poker chips? Don't laugh, and I know it's against their ToS but who cares. I just played (with mates for a laugh), and, 2-tabling like a boss, had a look at the 1m/2m games (up to 400m buyin). They play worse than 2NL (we're talking 100bb/100 as a very realistic winrate), and from a brief bit of research 1m sells for about $1.2. Could be pretty lucrative if one found a way to sell them.
    06-17-2013 , 09:10 PM
    Professional zynga player is a thing?
    06-17-2013 , 09:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
    Professional zynga player is a thing?
    The one existence sadder than a professional micro short stacker?
    06-17-2013 , 10:52 PM
    lol @ my current 4nl table...

    72/5 over 360 hands

    75/13 over 16 hands

    82/11 over 45 hands

    51/7 over 45 hands


    Screenshot:




    Seems pretty juicy

    Last edited by DasCoupe; 06-17-2013 at 11:20 PM.
    06-18-2013 , 02:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    Roszz, make ur decision on the turn. Don't call turn to fold a blank river, lighting money on fire
    Good point, need to get that into my head

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by denks
    I would put vil on AT, JT, A2s far more than a set. For a flopped set vil would have had to have limped in with AA, JJ or TT, very unlikely without reads. For a turned 22 vil would have had to have called a flop c-bet on that board, again very unlikely and a very small number of combos. Folding the best hand is lighting money on fire too
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by denks
    Forgot the obvious KQ though again would have had to have limped in with it. couldn't be bothered counting combos atm.
    Woud be really surprised if he raised JT or A2, but alright.
    JT = 9 combo's
    A2 = 6 combo's
    AT = 6 combo's
    KQ = 16 combo's

    21 we beat, 16 we loose, easy call

    Though I personally count out A2 and JT, maby this forum changed me in a nit

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TDA2
    Anyone ever sold Zynga poker chips? Don't laugh, and I know it's against their ToS but who cares. I just played (with mates for a laugh), and, 2-tabling like a boss, had a look at the 1m/2m games (up to 400m buyin). They play worse than 2NL (we're talking 100bb/100 as a very realistic winrate), and from a brief bit of research 1m sells for about $1.2. Could be pretty lucrative if one found a way to sell them.
    If you can actually win 100bb/100 hands and 0.5 bb = is worth $1.2, you make like $240 per hour
    06-18-2013 , 02:34 AM
    The guy limped in. He isn't showing up with converged stats of 10/2.
    06-18-2013 , 02:40 AM
    The hands are in his range of calling, but does a passive guy raise A2 there? JT? Not sure
    06-18-2013 , 02:41 AM
    He haz 2-pears!
    06-18-2013 , 02:45 AM
    Alright so, b/f the river or c/c
    06-18-2013 , 02:56 AM
    I'm never folding strong two pears against a fish so b/f is out of the question.
    06-18-2013 , 03:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by denks
    The one existence sadder than a professional micro short stacker?
    Well the best part is that zynga has 0 rake
    06-18-2013 , 04:42 AM
    Just tried out 20-tabling. Started with 12, 16 and up to 20. Massive autopilot but really surprised at the red line. Always thought 20-tabling you have super bad red line.

    This guys line seemed like FOS, so went for the shove.

    PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: $1.30 (VPIP: 24.09, PFR: 14.60, 3Bet Preflop: 2.25, Hands: 277)
    BB: $2.03 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 36)
    UTG: $1.54 (VPIP: 59.57, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
    MP: $2.09 (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
    CO: $0.61 (VPIP: 19.39, PFR: 2.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 201)
    Hero (BTN): $4.70

    SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J A

    UTG calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.23, 2 players) J 7 3
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.47, 2 players) 4
    UTG bets $0.32, Hero raises to $4.48 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.00 and is all-in

    h2: someone hit the lottery, board was drawy couldn't fold on autopilot.

    PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: $1.88 (VPIP: 17.12, PFR: 7.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 114)
    Hero (BB): $2.00
    CO: $2.18 (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 10.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 88)
    BTN: $5.37 (VPIP: 34.63, PFR: 19.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 295)

    SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K A

    CO raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.22, CO calls $0.16

    Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 7 8 K
    Hero bets $0.34, CO raises to $1.22, Hero raises to $1.78 and is all-in, CO calls $0.56

    This guy had 30% WSD. After checking that i called.

    PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    MP: $1.87 (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 14.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 102)
    CO: $3.00 (VPIP: 18.96, PFR: 15.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.67, Hands: 450)
    BTN: $2.19 (VPIP: 47.25, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 94)
    Hero (SB): $2.64
    BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 34.63, PFR: 19.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 295)
    UTG: $10.84 (VPIP: 16.94, PFR: 15.32, 3Bet Preflop: 15.91, Hands: 128)

    Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q A

    fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, BTN calls $0.16

    Flop: ($0.46, 2 players) 4 5 A
    Hero bets $0.30, BTN raises to $1.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.67

    What a cooler! Also set vs set a couple of times so not much profit from this session.

    PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    SB: $2.01 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 10.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 152)
    BB: $5.92 (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 32)
    UTG: $2.40 (VPIP: 46.94, PFR: 10.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 50)
    MP: $1.00 (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 10.61, 3Bet Preflop: 2.06, Hands: 247)
    CO: $3.48 (VPIP: 25.17, PFR: 19.87, 3Bet Preflop: 12.77, Hands: 156)
    Hero (BTN): $3.02

    SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K K

    fold, fold, CO raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1.06, BB calls $1.04, fold, Hero raises to $3.02 and is all-in, SB calls $0.95 and is all-in, BB calls $1.96

    Flop: ($8.13, 3 players) 6 T 4

    Turn: ($8.13, 3 players) 4

    River: ($8.13, 3 players) A

    BB shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Fours) (Pre 96%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
    SB mucks K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 2%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
    Hero mucks K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 2%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
    BB wins $7.85
    06-18-2013 , 04:56 AM
    Damn is 20 tabling really a good idea? How many tables do you play normally ?

    All hands look good to me though
    06-18-2013 , 05:19 AM
    I've worked my game up to the point where i need to standardize some spots. Feel like i overthink some spots while 4-tabling. 4-6 is my normal. As long as i'm not losing i'm fine with multitabling, although iPoker multitabling options suck. Love stacking tables on stars. Need to increase the rolls someway. Agree that 20 is too much, like 12 would be good.

          
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