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07-03-2014 , 07:54 PM
H2 Not sure about 3betting pre. Pretty sure a 10/7 wouldn't open J9 pre from UTG, and if his continuing range vs3bet is {KK+, AKs} is I have 32% equity vs his range, if we include QQ it's a flip. I think just flatting, because that way I'm facing a flop against a range that I have at least 70% equity (something around AQ+, AJs+, 88+).
07-04-2014 , 05:02 AM
Yea your right about J9 but by flatting you are giving all the other players left to act good odd,s with hands you dominate. I'd 3 bet every time here with KK and even AK. I get what your saying about his stats but you have the second best starting hand, why not get more money in pre?
07-04-2014 , 03:58 PM
Hand 1

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $3.21
SB: $2.08
BB: $2.48
UTG: $2.38
UTG+1: $1.75
Hero (UTG+2): $2.00
MP1: $1.09
MP2: $2.26
CO: $1.60

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+2 with A Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, BTN raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.23) Q 9 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.43) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.43) J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.80 all in, BTN folds

Vill is a fish, playing 28/11 over 40 hands.

Do you guys think this was a bad spot to over shove? Would've you gone for a more standard sizing, like 3/4 pot or something like that?
Figured I might get called by any diamond, K and maybe 8's too.

Hand 2

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.00
SB: $0.88
BB: $0.22
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $2.33
UTG+2: $1.42
MP1: $2.16
MP2: $1.16
Hero (CO): $2.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.22, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.16, MP2 calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.69) 9 K T (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.40, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.10

Turn: ($3.69) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.61 all in, Hero calls $0.61

River: ($4.91) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

UTG is 40/30 over 50 hands.
MP2 is 5/2 over 70 hands.

What do you think about this hand? I don't usually 3bet AK vs UTG opens, but this guy was opening so wide that I figured I could 3bet for value. But then the nit called (probably with a PP looking to setmine). Is squeezing here right?

Hand 3

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $3.32
SB: $2.15a
BB: $2.60
Hero (UTG): $2.13
UTG+1: $2.00
UTG+2: $7.42
MP1: $2.45
MP2: $3.26
CO: $2.27

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.12, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.39) J 8 Q (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($0.39) A (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.32

River: ($1.03) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.74, MP1 calls $0.74

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $2.51
Hero shows Jc Jd (three of a kind, Jacks)
MP1 mucks Kh Ac
Hero wins $2.42
(Rake: $0.09)


UTG+1 is 11/5 over 62 hands
MP1 is 12/7 over 85 hands.

Bad idea to go for the check raise here? UTG might be setmining, but MP1 would be cbetting this flop (at least I would with most of my 3betting range vs an UTG open, though I wouldn't be 3betting). Is river to thin to go for value, would betting something like 50%-60% pot as a blocking bet been better?

Last edited by thoughtsymmetry; 07-04-2014 at 04:06 PM.
07-04-2014 , 04:25 PM
h1 is awful, do you even think about ranges before you decide your action?

h2 if you're going to raise shove, why would you leave 61c behind when the pot will be $3+

h3 bet flop, river is probably bad.
07-04-2014 , 04:52 PM
H1 I thought he might be drawing most of the time, and Jd completed plenty of draws (and considered that he would be calling most of them). And if he isn't drawing and got a weak hand like a Qx/9x won't be getting any value either way. Plus the shove looks bluffy. The only worse hands that I might get value if I had bet smaller but he would fold to a shove are sets, but he didn't play like having a set.

H2 I don't know, I usually do that. Not sure if it makes any sense, but fishes usually don't pay attention to stacks size, how much they have invested of their stack, SPR, etc. So, while they might call 70% of their stack with top pair, they might fold to an all in bet. And I think they are making a bigger mistake by folding while being commited thant I do by not going all in.
07-06-2014 , 09:03 AM
Tbh I don't think hand 1 is that bad. Pot is tiny, villain is a fish, we have the nuts, and it's the sort of board where villain could easily have 2 pair or the straight (or Kd, or even just any diamond and put us on a bluff).

If you bet 30c you or so you probably get called by any diamond. Shove and meh...it's 2nl, even if villain isn't a fish he's never going to lay down Kd and they don't like folding flushes anyway. I'd shove and hope he levels himself into a call.

Hand 2 I call the flop donk and call down most runouts if he barrels.

Hand 3 bet flop, bet turn, check river.
07-06-2014 , 05:16 PM
Already failed in my quest to not play Zoom this month but it has worked out quite well - the higher standard of play is revealing a few leaks in my game that I wouldn't have found otherwise.
07-07-2014 , 07:51 AM
Firstly Back in BQ - I haven't played for over 1 1/2 years (Well I have - but haven't really grinded hardcore since i'm busy at work) so I have alot to catch up on

Anyway July Goals:

[x] Redeposit $400 on PS
[ ] Deposit $400 on 888 to bonuswhore a kickback
[ ] Play 5000 hands Zoom 5NL
[ ] Move up to Zoom 10NL
[ ] Play 50 HUSNG Turbos $3.50
[ ] Move up back to the $7.00 Turbos.
[ ] Win MTT
[ ] Sign up to coaching site again

Awaiting my Deposit to clear on stars now - seriously takes too long.
07-07-2014 , 11:27 AM
[ ] 50k Hands
[ ] Beat NL2 Zoom
[ ] Beat NL5 Zoom
07-07-2014 , 12:11 PM
July goals
Join new poker site ( take advantage of first deposit bonus )
Read a new book
Join a training site
07-07-2014 , 06:36 PM
Pretty much just starting out with taking poker seriously (relatively...I mean I'm still just a rec player with a day job). Figure I should start making some goals.

July:

[ ] Play 10K Hands (Can't really put in much volume)
[ ] Clear 60% of my deposit bonus (have until August 21st to clear the whole thing)
[ ] Feel like I'm crushing 2NL (Ambitious, I know)
07-08-2014 , 03:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcoEsq
played mostly live since last month - 60 hours, + 600 bb at $1/2

here's my online stats



+ $170 in bonuses

+ 60 in food comps

total: + $1500 since june 1
july goals:

play 100 hours 3 tabling 25/50nl online
play 100 hours of 1/2 live
watch 2 video series
read 2 books
07-08-2014 , 06:45 AM
Gonna start playing 20nl tonight. Quite happy cos now the regs will all be different and providing I play LAG right from the start my stats should look impressive on their HUD's so I'll get more action when I have AA and KK. I found at 10nl I didn't 3bet enough so even after I started playing LAG I still didn't get much action cos it takes time for database stats to adjust.
07-08-2014 , 07:11 AM
I'm always looking for players with "impressive" stats on my HUD.
07-08-2014 , 07:50 AM
Hi guys! Would love to know what you think about that hand. I have no special read on villain. I guess calling until the river is fine since we are getting great odds (or am I missing something?) but OTR I don't really know how I should react. Do you think a 20/11 type villain can go crazy with a set?

Villain is 20/11 over 300 hands
    Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #28712771

    UTG: $6.35 (158.8 bb)
    BTN: $4.71 (117.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $5.17 (129.3 bb)
    MP: $2.67 (66.8 bb)
    CO: $3.78 (94.5 bb)
    BB: $6.11 (152.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T J
    UTG raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.06, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.28) Q K 7 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

    Turn: ($0.40) 5 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

    River: ($0.52) 9 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.28, UTG folds, BTN raises to $4.55 and is all-in, Hero ?



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    07-08-2014 , 08:31 AM
    I guess he's most often showing up here with Kxc but yeah, he could be spazzing with top set or something, but imo for such a small pot getting crappy odds, better to let it go imo.

    Bleh, shrug and fold I guess.

    Last edited by alphabetsoup; 07-08-2014 at 08:31 AM. Reason: chopped a bit out after rereading op
    07-08-2014 , 11:57 AM
    Pretty easy fold
    07-08-2014 , 12:05 PM
    What the hell is it with 888poker and the massive waitlists on the 20nl tables? Why doesn't someone just start new tables then we can all play?

    Each table seems to be full and have a minimum of 2 people on the waitlist. What gives? It wasn't like this at 10nl.

    EDIT: Just gotta add it's not like this on the 30nl or 50nl tables either. What's going on with 20nl? Just a bad night or what?
    07-09-2014 , 10:50 AM
    Couple of hands to review from my 20nl session. Been trying to make some lighter calldowns recently.

    Hand 1) Figure after this guy checks flop he doesn't have any Tx which is what he's trying to rep. Fine to call it off?

    CO: 76 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
    Hero (BTN): 127.45 BB
    SB: 68.3 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
    BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 140)
    UTG: 165.85 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.97, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 263)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 6

    fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

    Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) T 4 5
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (7.5 BB, 2 players) T
    CO bets 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB

    River: (18.7 BB, 2 players) 9
    CO bets 9.35 BB, Hero calls 9.35 BB

    Hand 2) Thoughts on all streets appreciated. I normally raise tiny flop donks like this but then thought well I don't know what sort of fish this guy is. Figure he's betting larger with Tx OTR and 9x OTF. Plus pot odds and all that, our ace high doesn't have to be good that often.


    CO: 129.5 BB (VPIP: 24.16, PFR: 17.70, 3Bet Preflop: 2.36, Hands: 363)
    BTN: 50 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
    SB: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 48)
    BB: 71.55 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
    UTG: 58.3 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
    Hero (MP): 103.1 BB

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

    fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

    Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 4 9 6
    BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

    Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) T
    BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

    River: (14.5 BB, 2 players) T
    BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB


    Hand 3) CO had fold to 3bet of 85% but flop cbet of 100%. Is it OK to flat KK here because of this? As we've got the nut flush draw blocker do you like turning our hand into a bluff OTR?

    Figured he'd got a lot of Ax, yeah, but our hand is pretty underrepped so I could call. Crap board runout though.


    CO: 146.6 BB (VPIP: 43.48, PFR: 36.96, 3Bet Preflop: 26.67, Hands: 46)
    BTN: 111.2 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
    Hero (SB): 139.4 BB
    BB: 117.95 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 43)
    UTG: 165.6 BB (VPIP: 19.34, PFR: 14.92, 3Bet Preflop: 4.92, Hands: 187)
    MP: 90.25 BB (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 62)

    Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

    fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

    Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 9 3 Q
    Hero checks, CO bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

    Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) J
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: (16 BB, 2 players) A
    Hero checks, CO bets 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB
    07-09-2014 , 10:59 AM
    @rf:

    H1 bet flop. Villain very rarely has you beat and might xc Ax as well as 5x 4x. As played calling down is prob fine but close.
    H2 fold river, this is like a 4 close to 100% of the time.
    H3 your sample is far too small to be making anything but the tiniest adjustments based on FT3B. People don't bluff this river spot nearly enough but with the Kd blocker I think raising could be fun.
    07-09-2014 , 11:47 AM
    With hand 1, I thought this hand goes nicely into a check behind range, given we're not getting 3 streets from it and villain probably doesn't have a load of 4x or 5x in his range. Traditionally I've checked behind with 99-66 in this spot.

    If he's gonna check call Ax surely he'd just cbet to try and get me to fold? I dunno, just thought this was a standard check back really with a mid pair?

    Hand 2 and 3 I agree. Especially hand 3, I ballsed it up pretty bad.
    07-09-2014 , 01:37 PM
    H1 I'd much rather xb like AJ because it has the same value against his bluffs and there's not as much value in preventing him from seeing free cards with his folding range. I really don't understand what you mean by this:

    Quote:
    If he's gonna check call Ax surely he'd just cbet to try and get me to fold?
    07-09-2014 , 03:25 PM
    Screw it.. In..

    [ ] 35k hands in July
    [ ] +50 BI or more
    [ ] Make some of that sweet, sweet rakeback
    07-09-2014 , 03:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by omgliekhax
    Screw it.. In..

    [ ] 35k hands in July
    [ ] +50 BI or more
    [ ] Make some of that sweet, sweet rakeback
    Unless you're playing 2NL, and at a soft site at that, the first two goals really don't correlate. I'd expect to have to play 125k hands running at EV to make 50BI.
    07-09-2014 , 04:15 PM
    Hero (BTN): $25.25 (101 bb)
    SB: $47.09 (188.4 bb)
    BB: $25.62 (102.5 bb)
    UTG: $34.43 (137.7 bb)
    MP: $40.94 (163.8 bb)
    CO: $50.21 (200.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
    UTG raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.25, CO folds

    Flop: ($7.10) Q 7 T (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($7.10) T (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

    River: ($14.10) 7 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $27.93 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.75 and is all-in


    Haven't posted a hand in here for ages but anyone play this different? Utg is a 4 table reg but fairly unknown to me and CO is a 1 tabling fish.

    Cbet or not? I like to pot control a lot in these spots when im not going for three streets plus I can induce some bluffs on turn and he might get more stubborn if he has 88/99.

    What size to go on river? Not sure what is best but I don't like what I did.

          
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