It is inconceivable why big stack players who repeatedly limp in late and middle round tournaments make big hands, suckout, etc. and crack your strong preflops. Does playing more hands increase the luck factor?

are you really asking if playing a wider range of hands increases your liklihood of connecting with the board? The answer is, of course it does. And it isn't 'luck'.

The question doesnt make sense. If these players are cracking big hands then they aren't limping pre as the player[s] in the hand with them who have the big hands are raising pre most of the time.

OP is probably considering flatting a standard open raise to be the same as limping.

It just seems these over limping high VPIPs get lucky, like magical lucky. Can't quite figure it out.

It's really quite easy, since they have stacks bigger than yours anytime they win, you're out of the tourney so it sticks in your craw. The other 5 times they make an awful move and lose like they "should" you don't bat an eye.

1) Why are you limping your 'strong preflops'? Don't let them limp.

2) Not totally agreeing with Spew ... every 'hand' has similar 'math' when it comes to connecting with the Flop. It's math, not luck. This issue you are looking at is this player's ability to play a wide range of hands against your smaller range of hands post-Flop.

Do you want weaker hands to call? Yes, you are a favorite pre-Flop. But that doesn't mean you stop playing the game once the board comes out. Playing a wide range of hands can make it harder on you to play post-Flop against them, but it certainly doesn't give that player a mathematical advantage over you.

You really need to watch your words on this one ... Playing more doesn't mean you just win 'more' as you still need to play the game.

It's very common for larger stacks in tournament to play a wider range of hands to attack the small stacks since they 'can afford' to take these risks. If they miss it's an easy fold, if they hit they can really hurt you. This is where you need to play the game.

Basic poker has any random hand hitting the Flop 30% of the time. That doesn't change, but if a player plays 24 hands and you only play 6 then they have 4x the amount of times they can evaluate the Flop and decide whether to continue or not. That is an advantage, yes, but they have the chips and you don't. Does that make them luckier? No, it's just smart poker. GL

I may not have worded my post well, as you are agreeing 100% with what I was trying to say. Playing more hands at a wider range means that you will connect with the board more often, and this isn't luck, this is basic variance and combinatorics.

Well said. It sucks waiting for good cards only to lose to random crap. BTW I'm always pushing/raising only to be called. I lose at an unusual high percentage of the time against these types. It could be long term variance but still believe that its something more.

Maybe the correct strategy isn't to wait for good cards.

Then it is time to start adjusting the ranges you assign villains. Obviously you range based on your tight play. This is ALWAYS incorrect as a general principle. Each villain has their own "qualities".

You are likely remembering negative results for your good starting hands more vividly and dwelling on them too much. This is called "human nature" and is counter productive in developing good poker skills. Once you realize that correct play IS rewarded in the long run and that the best moves often enough lose to variance, you will have moved your skill level upwards. Good luck. Keep playing strong hands aggressively.

you should play tighg agressive by the book against these plyers, and for sure in the long term they are playing in a negative way, and will lose a lot o money

No it is not.

My results are true and tight is good.

Perhaps the correct strategy is adjusting mano a mano. It just seems that more hands played = better fortune. Reasons unknown.

OK, how did you come to this conclusion from an earlier post:
Did you keep track of thousands of hands and look at data somehow, or is this all from memory? Bene Gesserit's post nailed this already.

Maybe you're just selectively remembering the times you got it in good and lost, rather than the many more times you got it in good and won. And also forgetting the times you got it in bad and won. Maybe you also hugely overplay good hands preflop that have become not so good postflop

Maybe your opponents have realized that you play a tight range and have punished you for doing so.

Unbalanced tight players are easier to play against postflop. They are on a narrower range, so it is easier to figure out what they may have. If a 5/3/2 player (nit) raises, you can pretty safely put him on something like TT-AA, AK/AQ. Your 78 is behind, but when the flop comes 7 6 2 or even 9 4 3 you can often steal the pot from his AK/AQ holdings, which he has slightly more than half the time.

You can fold when the flop hits his range (A J 3 for example) and bluff certain cards (9 6 3 A = if he calls flop that A will be scary for his range, and he might give you credit since you called his tight open.

If you get 2 pair+, a good draw or combo draw (7 9 10 or 5 6 8, let alone 5 6 7 or 7 8 x boards) you can be almost sure you are ahead or have good equity in the hand.

If the players range is opened to 55+, A2-A5s, A10+, KJ+ and Q10s+ with some 56-JT combos you are in a much tougher spot. Low dry boards hit him more often, he can have a piece of anything and you can be dominated without knowing it.

You are likely defending your tight range too much on boards which favor those connectors and small-mid pairs. QQ might be good on a J 7 4 flop, but when the whole board is J 7 4 10 3 your overpair is often beaten by hands like J10, 98, 56 and sets. You can only get so much value out of Jx here, let alone hands like 78 or 99.

Point being these loose big stacks get the goods and are tough to beat.
Guess it comes down to ...

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No.

The point is, you don't want to listen to facts.

GL with your pokering.

Well then start printing money by getting a bigger stack and playing any two cards, easy game.

Prove it. Posting a gif about math is not the same thing as actually using math.