Hello,

This is happening with some frequency. For Instance, last night. I am at a table with a hyper aggressive mule and I had King King. The mule had less then a full stack. I raised, and he flat called. The flop was Jack three babys. I bet he calls, turn another baby, I bet he calls. River Jack..yes.

So Now here is a hand with another Mule, I was not involved but it shows what he is doing, in another hand He shoved the turn with ACE and Ace on board and defeated a flopped set with a Runner Runner Straight.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $1.00
CO: $1.22
BTN: $4.74
SB: $3.98
BB: $2.41
UTG: $1.19
UTG+1: $2.14
MP1: $6.77

Pre Flop: ($0.03)
UTG calls $0.02, 4 folds, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.10, UTG calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31) K 2 6 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, BB folds

Turn: ($0.39) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.04, BTN raises to $0.80, UTG calls $0.76

River: ($1.99) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, BTN bets $3.80 all in, UTG calls $0.25 all in

Final Pot: $2.49
BTN shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
UTG shows J K (a pair of Kings)
UTG wins $2.39
(Rake: $0.10)





Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $1.10
BTN: $1.69
SB: $3.89
BB: $4.08
UTG: $2.18
UTG+1: $2.27
Hero (UTG+2): $2.00
MP1: $3.04
MP2: $6.77

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) 6 T 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.50) 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, BTN folds

River: ($0.78) J (2 players)
SB bets $3.59 all in, Hero folds


I should raise flop? On the river the flush is there, the three. I cannot put this type of person on a hand though.

Hi Gib,

With what frequency have you seen villain 3 barrell bluff and do you have any betsizing reads?

raise flop and raise big. if he really is as bad every time as the first hand would have us believe there is just sooooo much you are getting value from.

Raise flop to .60.. then shove turn.

Hello,

He was shoving his stack which was going up and down, half the time.

If the river had not been a club I was going to call.

Though He might have had a three.

I had no reads other than he was aggressive, when it got to the river he over bet the pot every time. Most often the opponent folded, when they didn't he might have some bit and win if they too were a mule, or he would loose. I think he would Bet more if he had a three, so most likely flush.

But probably nothing but I have been burned by these animals to much.

I have just seen the additional responses, I should then have re raised and shoved, though with the other man who was not acting like a loon I was hesitant.

As played I'm calling the river, given the above.

if he really is hyper aggressive and overbetting constantly then river is a snap-call. if you think otherwise, get out of this game...high variance poker might not be for you, but youre definitely ahead of his range more than enough to make this suck an easy call.

Giblet, do you use a HUD? if so post some stats on villain...and i want to thank you for posting converted hands now lol

Hello,

I am using Poker Tracker. I do not have it open now as It slows down my computer and I am done for tonight. I used the information about his Voluntary Put Money In. It was 100. The Aggression factor was also quite high. His Pre Flop Raising statistic was not high however. Though it was Higher than most at the table it was not anywhere near the other two numbers.

As for high variance, I am seeing that unless I have the Nuts it is unwise to call off my chips. (In fact now that I have imported my hands into Poker Tracker. I can see that Dominant hands Ace Ace King King are winners slightly when I have gotten the money in Prelop, but almost every time I get the money in on th flop I find two pair/set. So I have stopped doing this unless it is against a small stack)

Even yesterday for instance, and I do not have the hand available. But in summary,

A mule with 60 or so BB's calls a 12 cent raise from Me I am in Early position with ACE Q spades,
The mule flat calls.

The Flop comes:

King 2 9 three spades. This is good. I lead out half pot to get some action. And the mule instantly calls.

Turn is a 3 Bet call.



River is 2.



The Mule had flat called preflop with the 2 3 off suit.

So I understand the idea that I am ahead of his hand range, but I want to minimize Loss for the time being and not Maximize Gain. I had difficulty putting money onto this Site for various reasons and do not want to diminish what I have currently as putting monies back onto this site is going to be difficult.

Also, do the pot odds not dictate that I must Be correct more often than a great Deal of the time in order to call?


Thank You again for the Responses.

POST NOTE: I shall add the mention of the flush against the rivered Full House is used to illustrate the difficulty in putting a mule on a hand, yes? I do not want to foment any agression towards the public notice of Bad Beats etc...

Yes, I see everyone here agrees that i should raise the flop.
So this means I assume. Call A shove, If button folds? Or IF Mule flats calls shove any turn?

when underrepresent your hand postflop and play in a way that will embolden them to try and make you fold....and you have a hand....dont fold

also as others have said, not raising the flop is bad because LOOK you just have the button a cheap card....dont do that.

That is prototypical weak-tight thinking.

That is scared money talking.

The combination of the above cannot end well (either in isolation isn't great either). You are going to miss a ton of value and fold winning hands too often. Over the long run, the profit you make from confident value betting will more than offset the losses from coolers and bad beats. If you take that profit away, you are just left with losses.

I have come to the conclusion that for hand history threads MULE>Villain.

You gotta raise flop and turn, get that money in as fast as you can bro.

You have to stop flat calling when you have the best hand. You did the same thing in another thread that you posted recently. Learn to 3-bet and do it often when you know you are ahead.

If you 3-bet and they call or raise, then think about folding. You just really need to step up the aggression or you'll either lose more or leave lots of dead money on the table.

And what the heck is a "mule" anyways? You are the only one I see using this term. Most of us prefer donkey.

i don't often sink the microstakes, and this is why. look, OP, its called gambling for a reason. if he wants to call with 2/3 that is his prerogative.

as for your OP, i am not sure how he played these hands that badly. i think, in fact, his opponents were the donkeys. did he overplay top pair with KJ? maybe, maybe not. but you wait for that opportunity when you are playing someone like that. know they will call off with just top pair and crush them with your sets and overpairs.

hand two, you played so weakly its pathetic. like others said, raise, raise, raise. guy bet .08 into a .26 pot. then bet .14 into a .50 pot. that's less than 1/3 of the pot. you have to raise to make the odds less conducive to the flush draw calling.

but at that level, you will not force out a flush draw on the flop, even by going all in.

your best bet is to move up at least $25 NL. playing for pennies you might as well just sit there and throw your money up in the air and hope more lands in your pot than in the others.