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HUD Limp-Fold stat - do you use it? HUD Limp-Fold stat - do you use it?

08-18-2011 , 06:52 PM
So we know that open-limping is bad and I was thinking how laughably exploitable it would be if someone open limps and then folds a lot when someone else raises. Lo and behold HEM thought of this first and now I have limp fold/call/raise stats on my HUD. Does anyone else use this stat?
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08-18-2011 , 07:33 PM
Yes, but I just have limp-call with a custom pop up that shows limp-fold & limp-reraise
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08-18-2011 , 07:54 PM
Yes, I use this stat in conjunction with fold-to-cbet to determine how loosely I can isolate and the types of hands with which I should isolate.
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08-18-2011 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mikes007
Yes, I use this stat in conjunction with fold-to-cbet to determine how loosely I can isolate and the types of hands with which I should isolate.
That sounds highly effective. I see the most obvious and simple scenarios would as follows:

1. High limp-to-fold + high fold-to-cbet = iso with ATC and c-bet almost any board, and
2. Low limp-to-fold + low fold-to-cbet = iso with value hand and hands that flop TPGK and proceed to valuetown.

Scenario 1 you exploit loose-weak types and scenario 2 the calling stations.

Do you agree and can you please expand on your post?
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08-18-2011 , 08:54 PM
nah i like my hud to be pretty simple

so i just keep notes on people who are capable of limp/f and keep a vague note of frequency
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08-18-2011 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
That sounds highly effective. I see the most obvious and simple scenarios would as follows:

1. High limp-to-fold + high fold-to-cbet = iso with ATC and c-bet almost any board, and
2. Low limp-to-fold + low fold-to-cbet = iso with value hand and hands that flop TPGK and proceed to valuetown.

Scenario 1 you exploit loose-weak types and scenario 2 the calling stations.

Do you agree and can you please expand on your post?
This is mostly correct. In scenario 2, your "TPGK" hands can include stuff like A7o and K8o and J9o, as against a wide range which doesn't fold to cbet any top pair and most middle pairs with a good kicker can be bet for value. It's a balancing act depending on his VPIP and fold-to-cbet stats. You can isolate much wider against a 60 VPIP fish than a 25 VPIP fish, assuming they have the same postflop tendencies.

There are 2 other scenarios:

3. High limp-to-fold + low fold to cbet = similar to scenario 2, but you want your high card hands to be a bit better than before since his continuing range is going to be a bit stronger than in scenario 2. You can theoretically reduce the size of your iso-raise since he will be folding to a lot of them and only calling with a range which you don't necessarily beat.

4. Low limp-to-fold + high fold to cbet = print money. If his fold to cbet is high enough, you WANT him to call your iso-raise, since you're profiting from any money that goes in preflop. You might even increase the size of your PFR since he's calling way too much.

Other things to be concerned about are the tendencies of the other players yet to act. High 3bet% people behind you means you should isolate less than usual, as some hands which are marginally profitable against just the fish become unprofitable when there is a good chance that someone will ruin your play. The fewer players left to act and the nittier they are, the better off you are and the wider you can isolate. The better your position, the wider you can isolate, as you can sometimes take a free card in position postflop against certain villains. Hence, it is awesome to be the BTN, like it usually is.

Other stats you might consider when contemplating a loose isolation are aggression% and WTSD. aggression% can be useful when you have a small suited connector or gapper, as these hands can benefit sometimes from seeing a free card or two. WTSD will let you know how often you will get to showdown and can be useful when planning your postflop lines. Although WTSD takes a while to converge.
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08-18-2011 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
So we know that open-limping is bad and I was thinking how laughably exploitable it would be if someone open limps and then folds a lot when someone else raises. Lo and behold HEM thought of this first and now I have limp fold/call/raise stats on my HUD. Does anyone else use this stat?

After watching some Alan Jackson videos I added limp/call to my HUD. I've started looking at it a little. Trying to get used to it. I often also look at the fold to c-bet stat when I'm thinking along these lines.
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08-19-2011 , 04:43 AM
Greta post matt, as so many discussions on poker position is key.
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