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09-24-2015 , 05:44 PM
HERO is sitting down at a very somewhat semi loose-aggresive table with 1 fish, 3 lags ( bad lags) , 1 maniac-fish and 3 tags (myself included), one can be ruled as a old man nit. live 1/2 hold em nl.

HERO is facing down at QQ in UTG+1 and UTG straddles, given info HERO has from before his notes tell him that maniac fish reraises alot of limp-callers from any position so HERO just calls the straddle, we get 4 more callers behind. VILLAIN (maniac) reraises to around 8-9x straddle from BB, UTG folds.

Now how do we play this hand from here, what is the best possible option.

Given that if we call, we have a huge possibility of those behind also calling to see a flop ( 1/2 live, they always call lol ) which might put alot of action cards/draws out there.

Given that we reraise we could isolate maniac fish, but we know from earlier hand that he shoves any pair post flop, and also calls preflop with any Ace, or any king or any pockets basically a wide range. HERO does not want to put himself into a spot where he shoves and to be called with any Ace rag/suit or king rag/suit because we are around 120bb deep and HERO knows villain has a hard time folding so 4:1 75% equity is just not good enough.

Given that we do flat call and everyone else folds any King high board+ can get us to fold the best hand with this maniac.

Do we fold in this spot or call shove flop? I know for some 75% equity is more then enough , "QQ vs Ax", but for me i don't think so.
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09-24-2015 , 06:07 PM
small tank...then click it back
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09-24-2015 , 06:17 PM
Re-raise 3x his bet to isolate him. Sure an Ace or King could come on the flop, but you're a favorite against his range. If an Ace or King comes on the flop be diciplined enough to lay it down. If 3x his raise would pot commit you, then you shove instead.
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09-24-2015 , 06:20 PM
Never mind the flop, why are we limp-calling preflop? Just re-raise this guy, we are streets ahead of his range. If you insist on flatting, raise yourself preflop.
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09-24-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pentagon
I know for some 75% equity is more then enough , "QQ vs Ax", but for me i don't think so.
It's actually around 70% vs. 1 overcard. And actually around 70% vs his overall range that continues with you, if it's accurate. That's still more than enough for most people. I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for why it's not enough for you.
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09-24-2015 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by osirus0830
Re-raise 3x his bet to isolate him. Sure an Ace or King could come on the flop, but you're a favorite against his range. If an Ace or King comes on the flop be diciplined enough to lay it down. If 3x his raise would pot commit you, then you shove instead.
3x his bet would invest around 40-50% of both of our stacks, he shoves as said any pair with the remainder of his stack post flop, which takes no skill really.
Do we call and hope it holds or any flop ? Or do we fold a flop with A/K high board?

if your curious about the result:

Flop: 643 rainbow, VILLAIN shoves rest, HERO CALLS
Turn: A
River: J

Villain shoves A4o, two pair.
Hero mucks.
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09-24-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Freewill2112
It's actually around 70% vs. 1 overcard. And actually around 70% vs his overall range that continues with you, if it's accurate. That's still more than enough for most people. I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for why it's not enough for you.
Pre seating down, i made a game plan for my session. Which was to get better playing post flop as much as i could, i did not want to shove 100-200bbs deep unless it was AA, or i knew i was ahead with AK unless i was positive. The money did not really matter, i just want to make the optimal play at every corner and make the right decisions for +EV.
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09-24-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Never mind the flop, why are we limp-calling preflop? Just re-raise this guy, we are streets ahead of his range. If you insist on flatting, raise yourself preflop.
This might have been the leak, not raising pre and limping the straddle. My thinking at the time told me i should limp it, because the maniac fish will reraise if we get 2-3 callers and i could isolate him (basically setting a trap) with it's pros and cons.
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09-24-2015 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pentagon
This might have been the leak, not raising pre and limping the straddle. My thinking at the time told me i should limp it, because the maniac fish will reraise if we get 2-3 callers and i could isolate him (basically setting a trap) with it's pros and cons.
Trapping is fine with the read that he will almost always raise but in order to actually spring the trap, you need to re-raise. According to your opening post, you flatted instead, which makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Pentagon
Pre seating down, i made a game plan for my session. Which was to get better playing post flop as much as i could, i did not want to shove 100-200bbs deep unless it was AA, or i knew i was ahead with AK unless i was positive. The money did not really matter, i just want to make the optimal play at every corner and make the right decisions for +EV.
The 'right decisions for +EV' generally includes getting it in as a 70% favourite if possible.
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09-24-2015 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Trapping is fine with the read that he will almost always raise but in order to actually spring the trap, you need to re-raise. According to your opening post, you flatted instead, which makes no sense.



The 'right decisions for +EV' generally includes getting it in as a 70% favourite if possible.
Sorry, maybe i made a mistake in my writing, or you misunderstood, all those were options of play, i ended up shoving 110b deep, everyone folded, but he called (not sure why, did not ask him).

So i got it in good?
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09-24-2015 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pentagon
Sorry, maybe i made a mistake in my writing, or you misunderstood, all those were options of play, i ended up shoving 110b deep
According to what you wrote, you flat called his raise preflop and called his shove postflop.

Now you're saying that you shoved 110bb? But you don't say when.

It's difficult for anyone to give you meaningful feedback about a hand when you can't decide what actually happened.
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09-24-2015 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
According to what you wrote, you flat called his raise preflop and called his shove postflop.

Now you're saying that you shoved 110bb? But you don't say when.

It's difficult for anyone to give you meaningful feedback about a hand when you can't decide what actually happened.
Not quite, i said DO i, keyword is "do" flat call, and then call his shove post-flop knowing he will shove any two hands as he had done earlier with K5s or not? I was poundering between what would of been best, but what i originally did was shove, hoping he would not call given that we were so deep, when he called with A4o i was suprised.
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09-24-2015 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pentagon
3x his bet would invest around 40-50% of both of our stacks, he shoves as said any pair with the remainder of his stack post flop, which takes no skill really.
Do we call and hope it holds or any flop ? Or do we fold a flop with A/K high board?

if your curious about the result:

HERO shoves (preflop) Villain calls

Flop: 643 rainbow,
Turn: A
River: J

Villain shoves A4o, two pair.
Hero mucks.
edit, i shuffled between HERO and VILLAIN, sorry, thats why it was confusing.
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09-24-2015 , 07:27 PM
You shoved over his raise and got in as a 70% favourite 120bb deep, that's a good result.
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09-24-2015 , 08:52 PM
Raising to isolate this guy is the right play. If you were closing the action and no-one else was in the pot then I'd still shove. He's calling a shove with Ax, Kx pre-flop, but the 70% of the time he missed on the flop you won't be getting any more money. A 70% to win AI pre is HUUUUUGE.

Don't think you can get away if you flat and the flop comes K-high. Folding to his shove on a KT8 flop or whatever is absolutely terrible if you know he shoves any pair and has a wide pfr range.

Edit: Saying that a 70% to win situation for all your chips isn't good enough for you makes you sound like scared money? It makes me cringe hearing this as I think back to the days I counted blackjack being satisfying with 2-3% edges.
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