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How often should I be stacking off with the nut flush on a paired board? Hand Analysis. How often should I be stacking off with the nut flush on a paired board? Hand Analysis.

03-07-2012 , 03:45 PM
This was an odd hand for me with it being multiway until the river.



    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12102882

    MP1: $0.59 (29.5 bb)
    MP2: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
    MP3: $0.80 (40 bb)
    Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
    BTN: $2.42 (121 bb)
    SB: $1.75 (87.5 bb)
    BB: $2.53 (126.5 bb)
    UTG+1: $1.27 (63.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $0.99 (49.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A 9
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, SB folds, BB checks

    Flop: ($0.11) 7 7 8 (5 players)
    BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.43) Q (4 players)
    MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    River: ($0.75) K (4 players)
    MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.36, BTN raises to $0.72, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.36

    Spoiler:
    Results: $2.19 pot ($0.08 rake)
    Final Board: 7 7 8 Q K
    MP1 mucked and lost (-$0.18 net)
    MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.18 net)
    Hero mucked A 9 and lost (-$0.90 net)
    BTN showed Q Q and won $2.11 ($1.21 net)



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    I almost stacked off on the river putting the guy on something like 7x since he limped the button with a fair price for ATC. Although I think I played it on the river correctly according to the hands I can't help feel I may have made a mistake earlier in the hand. Furthermore is the vilian not showing up with a full house enough times here to make stacking off profitable in the long run?
    thanks in advance
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    03-07-2012 , 03:48 PM
    IMO almost always unless something tells u otherwise?
    i dont have keyboard so thats all ill say.
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    03-07-2012 , 03:51 PM
    I don't like the limp behind pre-flop. I'm raising to discourage more limpers, thin out the competition, get a bigger pot for when I hit and to disguise when I raise with my real monsters. Of course that won't fold out the button, so it might not have changed the result for you in this case, but still...

    Button's play is incredibly passive. Make a note that he can play passively to the river then raise and show the nuts.
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    03-07-2012 , 08:31 PM
    Button plays this hand so weirdly that you can never put him on his actual hand. Even though there's a basic microstakes rule that "Raises on the river are never bluffs" I don't think there are many of us that would fold to a minraise on this board, so in a way you lost the minimum.

    I prefer a pre-flop raise, btw, to thin the field like Gothninja said, and to give you the opportunity to c-bet with authority. In a multiway limped pot, your stab on the flop is rarely going to be successful, and you might be better off taking a cheap/free card instead of bloating a pot that you don't have a huge chance of winning. I'm really not sure the best way to play this after the flat call pre, because I seldom find myself in such a weird (i.e. multiway) situation, on Stars at least. (On 888, hands like this are very common. You win some and you lose some, naturally, but there's no "correct" way to play them, as player tendencies - and their actual hands - can vary so much).
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    03-08-2012 , 01:49 AM
    On this hand I'd never fold that flush.. I'd most likely lose more by re-raising back at him.

    Him calling with QQ on multiway action is so disguised and bad line in general.
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    03-08-2012 , 03:41 AM
    dont limp pre, raise.

    like your flop bet.

    hate your turn bet. 8c into 43c? Please tell me this was a mis click and you were trying to put in ~35c

    when he raises the river this small, you can calll. he might have worse flush in hand.

    Not sure what I would do if he pushed. Probably call and make a note with lots of swear words in
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    03-08-2012 , 05:59 AM
    Villain can't have QQ or he'd have raised/3 bet pre.
    Oh.

    When I see plays like this I wonder whether they have played it cleverly or if they don't have a clue.
    His turn bet and river min raise leads me to think he doesn't have a clue but maybe he thought anything bigger would chase you away?
    I don't see how you could have got away from this on the river.
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    03-08-2012 , 06:00 AM
    this hand blows my mind
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    03-08-2012 , 08:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
    His turn bet and river min raise leads me to think he doesn't have a clue but maybe he thought anything bigger would chase you away?
    Villain doesn't have a clue. As infuriating as it is to play against villains like this sometimes, they tend to be huge donators to us in the long run (and also save us money by not getting max value from their hands).
    This type of passive slowplay is exactly the sort of thing that some bad players do. They limp with big pairs because they are scared of getting them cracked, and then make stupid little bets which often means they DO get cracked.
    I'm pretty sure that "I don't want to scare him off" is exactly the thought that goes through their minds when they make small bets with the nuts.
    We know their style is not a profitable one. We raise our strongest hands both pre-flop and post-flop. Limping and slow-playing (in the micros in particular) is akin to saying "Please draw out on me cheaply, or at least only give me a tiny bit of your stack, because I hate money."
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    03-08-2012 , 09:52 AM
    Great post Arty.
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    03-08-2012 , 03:19 PM
    Thanks for the advice everyone

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    dont limp pre, raise.

    like your flop bet.

    hate your turn bet. 8c into 43c? Please tell me this was a mis click and you were trying to put in ~35c
    I believe I called an 8c raise, I didn't make the raise myself.
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    03-09-2012 , 06:16 AM
    I have really got to get better at reading hand histories :/
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