What can I do in these spots?

888 Poker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 168.25 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 28)
BTN: 132 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 196.75 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, CO raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, CO calls 7.5 BB, fold

Flop: (26 BB, 2 players) T 6 2
Hero bets 19.5 BB, CO calls 19.5 BB

Turn: (65 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 32.5 BB, CO raises to 69.5 BB, Hero calls 37 BB

Unfortunately it's just one of those spots that mostly everyone can't get away from. Just put it in the cooler section and forget about it. Gl at tables

In this spot. Never.

Turn raise is nut-heavy readless

BelugaWhale Theorem

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...eorems-183304/

just don't run into AA or KK

easy game

edit: for people saying this is a baluga spot zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

But I've read on here we shouldn't really fold overpairs in a 3bet pot unless the board runs out horribly which this one didn't?

Jfc, welcome back tiltninja

@lolpotodds

It's all relative to the situation. ie reads and whatever. I just brought up Baluga in case you haven't heard of it. Against some people I would fold here, against others I call. It's that simple really. You can't take the same exact line/thought process with every single person you play against

Maybe a 4bet pre? OOP I know but If we're getting matched then we've got a good idea that he's playing AK - AA.

If we're being critical, you could perhaps put him on TT and fold the turn, otherwise it's hard to see how your money isn't going in there.

This is a 3bet pot so it's not Beluga.
And you can't 4bet as you are the 3better and just got called.

Turn raise is worrying and we can expect to be behing most of the times but it could also be AKd/KQd or JJ and villain might just feel pot committed. I'm not sure I could find a fold vs unknown given the pot odds.

I would say it's just a cooler.

Again, lolpotodds, I've cleaned up your post a bit. If you are seriously asking about hand advice when posting in this forum.. please do not bias the hand with the questions you ask or by posting results. Instead, offer any reads you may have on the villain.. notes you've taken, weird things you've seen villain do, or any stats you have.

If this just an exercise of lol look how rigged these games are.. I would recommend you stick with bbv and/or the rigged thread.

Those aren't fun though. Here he thinks he can be taken seriously.

I'd not really seen him do anything much. Seemed like he wasn't a donk from his stats but that's about it?

The slowplayed AA really did me in which is why I posted it (since people would except a 4bet pre with AA then I could fold?) since it's a non standard line with AA. So it was as much a question as how we deal with slowplayed aces when we have an overpair really. I can't really not cbet flop and check/folding turn seems nitty.

That's perfectly fine.. but the more information you can provide the better. If you don't have a single bit of info about the guy.. just say readless. If you have any stats at all.. providing them (along with the number of hands villain has played.. as you did) offers us the ability to get into your shoes a little better. Sometimes stats are useless (21/18 over 9 hands tells us less than 72/0 over 9 hands does), but at least it gives us a frame of reference similar to your own.

As far as telling us he has AA.. you are much better off asking questions that give you what you are looking for instead of just coming out to say he had AA! This way the hand stays as unbiased as possible, and you can get a discussion going about different spots in the hand.

For something like this hand I would suggest something like:

Topic: 4nl- Line check with QQ

post reads if you have any

post hand with stats like you did


get some answers blah blah.

Now you can start asking things like "What should we do in this spot if he 4 bets?" or "If he raises the flop, instead of the turn.. what is your play?". This allows you steer the conversation a bit, while learning what to think about in other similar spots.

cliffs: Keep results out of it and give as much information about you can about the villain

How do you deal with slowplayed AA? Next time make sure to ask him politely before you call the turn raise if he has AA or not. If he is a nice fellow he is sure to say "LOLZ you got me bro!" and turn over his cards and you can both have a laugh together.

Seriously though: 1) It's a 3-bet pot, this isn't Baluga stuff, you aren't folding ever on the turn to an approx 30bb raise in a 100bb pot. 2) You can't know he has slowplayed AA. It is always a possibility but because you can't see his cards you can never be sure what he has, instead always try to think what is the range of cards he might be holding.

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I would squeeze more here as well, assuming you forgot to check with the villain as to what he was holding.

How do you avoid getting stacked with QQ? Just stop stacking off with QQ. It's that simple!

Would depend on whether I identified him as a new player or not.

Seriously, it's a cooler. You're not folding at any point in the hand.

I think OP is asking about your thought process, and I don't see much help in the responses. The questions that you need to ask are:
1. What hands are in his range that beat you?
2. Are there hands in his range that he bets for value that you beat?
3. Does he ever take this line with air?

People who have played a million hands just know the answers to these questions and can say "yeah, you can never fold" or "yeah, he's always got you beat", however, for a beginner, you have to know how to count up the combos and do the math. It's results-oriented to say on this particular hand that he had 1), 2) or 3) this time, therefore the right decison was.... Your decision is right or wrong based on the accuracy of your estimates of his range.

The good thing is the players who get fancy with AA like this at the micros will be be the players who pay you off when you flop a set. Simply because they think they are trapping you.

Can someone refer me to whatever says we're always getting stacks in when we're in a 3B pot and have TP+? I hope that "rule" doesn't apply to deeper stacked games as well and is more of a spr thing than anything else

I don't think it's a hard and fast rule, more that Baluga Theorem applies more in non-3bet pots.

Ah. Ty