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05-24-2010 , 01:59 AM
I've been playing online poker for about a year I just can't seem to gain momentum. I really want to play good at cash games but as usual no luck, cards never hit and rivered almost everytime! No Joke! I play micro stakes I've tried reading books, 6max hand charts, etc....
Nothings helping... Can anyone with real advice help me out and not bash me please!
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05-24-2010 , 02:04 AM
Yeah stop blaming luck.
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05-24-2010 , 02:09 AM
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Yeah stop blaming luck.
^This

If you're blaming luck, that means you aren't accepting that you are a losing player, and in this mindset nothing you read will teach you anything.
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05-24-2010 , 02:22 AM
Get HoldEm Manager or Poker Tracker and load your hand histories. See what it tells you about your luck, your style of play, etc. Then post your stats here.
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05-24-2010 , 02:53 AM
How can we help you if you have no stats, data, results, or info to post???

In general, I would say that you aren't as good as you think you are. This comes across since you are blaming luck.

If you think poker is luck, then that is an indication that you really don't understand the game. Not trying to bash you, just calling it like I see it.

Get poker tracker, play 50K hands, then come back and post your stats and specific questions/scenarios of key hands and then people will be able to tell you what you did right and wrong.

Also, go to the micro stakes and small stakes forum and read the hand posts there and see if you can understand the logic behind the posts and responses. That will go a long way in making you a better player

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...-stakes-pl-nl/
good luck
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05-24-2010 , 06:04 AM
Post more on 2+2 is my advice....and by post I mean get involved in strategy posts
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05-24-2010 , 06:31 AM
What Ozi said: Start getting involved in discussion of hand .. go visit the micro full ring or the micro sixmax forum and get involved
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05-24-2010 , 07:24 AM
Try looking at yourself as a beginner, and start over.

Go thru all the stickies in Beginners Questions

Post the hands where you lost money

Be open to advice and accept that when ppl here flame your posts, it's better to get some hard words from experienced players here, than loosing money to players on the table who don't want you to know what you're doing wrong.
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05-24-2010 , 08:05 AM
Definitely get a tracker, then request your hand histories if you don't have them on your hd, plug them in and realize that like lots of people before you have plenty to learn.
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05-24-2010 , 10:21 AM
Ok, I will do this, I'm not blaming luck! I know theirs a lot of skill involved and I don't know everything. But I appreciate the responses and I'll get a tracker but which one is easier for me to understand?
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05-24-2010 , 11:05 AM
Move up were they respect your raises - kidding

both HEM and PT3 have guides on their sites that explain how to use them. Both are good
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05-24-2010 , 11:18 AM
Play at a lower level. Be patient. Get a big hand and win. I'd also recomend this with full ring. Consider 6 max for advanced play. Go to six max only after you have proven to be a winning player.
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05-24-2010 , 11:25 AM
Fold more.
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05-24-2010 , 01:06 PM
I'll try poker tracker out and see where it goes! So basically 6max isn't a good place for me to be at until I show improvement? Is their any books you recommend? I'll start posting some hand histories soon. Thanks Ratingskilla!
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05-26-2010 , 02:45 AM
My 1st hand post, trying to see if I played this wrong or should have folded to begin with!

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $3.00
BB: $4.30
UTG: $3.26
MP: $5.71
CO: $6.09
BTN: $4.86

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 7 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.51) Q 7 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.71) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $2.60, Hero calls $0.93 all in

River: ($6.17) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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05-26-2010 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratingskilla
My 1st hand post, trying to see if I played this wrong or should have folded to begin with!

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $3.00
BB: $4.30
UTG: $3.26
MP: $5.71
CO: $6.09
BTN: $4.86

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 7 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.51) Q 7 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.71) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $2.60, Hero calls $0.93 all in

River: ($6.17) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

i would fold pre but you dont have to. just be careful about set mining OOP cause its hard to get paid off the few times you do hit. and really im looking for assured multiway action if im OOP here. as played c/c that turn and play poker. post stats/reads on villians when you put the hands up for us.

Last edited by SomethingFishy; 05-26-2010 at 02:53 AM. Reason: added
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05-26-2010 , 07:28 AM
Generally on a hand like this you don't have to be involved Pre, I know it's great to hit a set, but the implications of a set are, reverse implied odds, just cause you hit your set doesn't mean that you have the best hand, just means you have a set and if you're beat then you lose often big.

I think the hardest thing to learn about poker is how to read Villians, and position, a raise from the CO, 3xBB generally should be enough for you to fold this pre, actually any 3xbb from any position should be a fold pre with this hand. I played a hand similar to this with KK in sb, I raised 3bb, and the BB called, I hit my K, and she hit her 9, she should have folded pre I thought cause if you don't hit a set, she's up against KK, in your case I would suspect you got raped by QQ, or they hit their set.......The board is so wet you need a towel to dry it off, I think your bet sizing should be a lot less, on the flop, you need to check, if they bet, you raise, to gain value from a fd, if they shove, you have a decision to make, but I doubt they shove with FD, and if they do, you have to decide whether your good or not.....you shouldn't even be in this hand, so you lost what you should have lost, if you don't see it as a clear fold on the Turn, then you need to learn from this lesson......some times you have to take a lot of lessons before you start to win more.

I'm a losing player in general, but I do have good runs at times, when I do win, it's cause I fold when I don't need to be in a hand, and I play tight. When I lose it's cause I don't play ABC poker and I get sucked out on like this hand.

It would have cost you 2cents to lose this hand, instead it cost you your stack.
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05-26-2010 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SomethingFishy
i would fold pre.
Ratingskilla you are going to get told this a lot "Fold" and so you should. You have 77 in the blinds verus a BTN open at a 6max table. The range of hands here is so wide that I cant see how folding preflop is the best play as some others have suggested.

Invest in PT3 or HEM.

I am going to be honest with you, at the micros you could easily just play the top 10% of hands, raising first in, 3bet more IP, opening more on the BTN and just waiting around for good draws and strong made hands to value bet you can asily crush 2NL-10NL this way. Fold when you miss, Cbet less often, be willing to fold TPTK, fold and then fold some more.
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05-26-2010 , 08:32 AM
Welcome to the forums!

No one can help you run better, but people can help you learn how to win more when you get the cards (value betting), lose less when you are behind (hand reading) and win pots when you don't have the best hand (semi-bluffing and bluffing). As others have said, participate in the strategy forums, check out the stickies and the Beginner's Toolbox Thread, and be sure to respond to others' threads in the strategy forums. That is how you are going to make progress as a player. Good luck!
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05-26-2010 , 10:37 AM
If you want to beat the microstakes I'd suggest not playing on fulltilt, their rake starts at 15-20c pot and cripples your winrate.
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05-26-2010 , 01:23 PM
start with single table sng's or limit poker then go to NL
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05-26-2010 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HUHandEH
Generally on a hand like this you don't have to be involved Pre, I know it's great to hit a set, but the implications of a set are, reverse implied odds, just cause you hit your set doesn't mean that you have the best hand, just means you have a set and if you're beat then you lose often big.

I think the hardest thing to learn about poker is how to read Villians, and position, a raise from the CO, 3xBB generally should be enough for you to fold this pre, actually any 3xbb from any position should be a fold pre with this hand. I played a hand similar to this with KK in sb, I raised 3bb, and the BB called, I hit my K, and she hit her 9, she should have folded pre I thought cause if you don't hit a set, she's up against KK, in your case I would suspect you got raped by QQ, or they hit their set.......The board is so wet you need a towel to dry it off, I think your bet sizing should be a lot less, on the flop, you need to check, if they bet, you raise, to gain value from a fd, if they shove, you have a decision to make, but I doubt they shove with FD, and if they do, you have to decide whether your good or not.....you shouldn't even be in this hand, so you lost what you should have lost, if you don't see it as a clear fold on the Turn, then you need to learn from this lesson......some times you have to take a lot of lessons before you start to win more.

I'm a losing player in general, but I do have good runs at times, when I do win, it's cause I fold when I don't need to be in a hand, and I play tight. When I lose it's cause I don't play ABC poker and I get sucked out on like this hand.

It would have cost you 2cents to lose this hand, instead it cost you your stack.
This jumbled thinking explains why you are a losing player. You seem like you don't want to hit a set in case someone has a bigger hand and then you tell him to fold the turn - he has already put 70% of his stack in and you want him to fold to the shove??? that would be seriously bad.
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06-04-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ratingskilla
I'll try poker tracker out and see where it goes! So basically 6max isn't a good place for me to be at until I show improvement? Is their any books you recommend? I'll start posting some hand histories soon. Thanks Ratingskilla!
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Originally Posted by Ratingskilla
My 1st hand post, trying to see if I played this wrong or should have folded to begin with!

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $3.00
BB: $4.30
UTG: $3.26
MP: $5.71
CO: $6.09
BTN: $4.86

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 7 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.51) Q 7 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.71) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $2.60, Hero calls $0.93 all in

River: ($6.17) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)
6 max has more variance mate, it seems to me you want to stick with full ring and play premium hands in the correct positions. while you study your game.

i take it you lost this hand to someone chasing the flush?

i dont have hem, this is quite killer without any reads.

gl man.
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06-04-2010 , 08:09 PM
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If you want to beat the microstakes I'd suggest not playing on fulltilt, their rake starts at 15-20c pot and cripples your winrate.
congrats on becoming a stars team member man,

i suppose its all gravy if you have rakeback right at ft?

are you still cool with answering questions at friendly poker bro? i cant acess 2+2 at work.

much love.
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06-04-2010 , 09:48 PM
I'd probably call there with 7's. I"m assuming you lost to their flush, you don't always have to pay off their huge bets, they are not bluffing enough times there for you to hardly ever pay that off
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