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01-16-2014 , 12:45 PM
Fold preflop.
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01-16-2014 , 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Fold preflop.
With KQ? In late position? Can you explain more please? It wasn't that big of a raise?
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01-16-2014 , 12:52 PM
What do you think his opening range is? How do you expect to make money against that range?
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01-16-2014 , 12:53 PM
You're not in late position. KQo is a crap hand, particularly against an EP raise and with 5 players still to act behind you.
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01-16-2014 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
You're not in late position. KQo is a crap hand, particularly against an EP raise and with 5 players still to act behind you.
What if it was same situation only you were in late position, say on the button, only that EP raised and some guy called before you?
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01-16-2014 , 01:37 PM
The position you're in matters less than the position the other person opened from facing a raise. KQo is a pretty good hand to squeeze with though.
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01-16-2014 , 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaZz68
What if it was same situation only you were in late position, say on the button, only that EP raised and some guy called before you?
Depends entirely on open raiser.
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01-16-2014 , 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Depends entirely on open raiser.
You mean it depends on his reads or where he raised it from/how much etc.?
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01-16-2014 , 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaZz68
You mean it depends on his reads or where he raised it from/how much etc.?
An EP raise from a nit is very different from an EP raise by a maniac.
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01-16-2014 , 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
An EP raise from a nit is very different from an EP raise by a maniac.
Okay, thank you.
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01-16-2014 , 05:52 PM
Another hand coming in:
(Flop - I was afraid of pocket Ks or Aces since preflop raiser checked the flop :/)




    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP1: $5.28 (105.6 bb)
    MP2: $10 (200 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $4.28 (85.6 bb)
    CO: $10.89 (217.8 bb)
    BTN: $6.64 (132.8 bb)
    SB: $2.18 (43.6 bb)
    BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
    UTG+1: $6 (120 bb)
    UTG+2: $12.50 (250 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
    UTG+1 posts BB OOP, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 raises to $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25

    Flop: ($1.47) 3 7 6 (3 players)
    UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($1.47) 4 (3 players)
    UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.95, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.47 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: 3 7 6 4
    MP2 mucked and won $1.41 ($1.01 net)
    Hero mucked K A and lost (-$0.40 net)
    UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$0.40 net)
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    01-16-2014 , 05:56 PM
    Standard 3bet size = x3 + 1 per over caller. So (0.15 x 3) + $0.15 + $0.15 = $0.75. Raise to that pre.

    Post is fine, congrats on not spazzing out with A-high in a multiway pot like so many people do. Do not be afraid of AA/KK, mid pairs and AJ+ are more likely. In any event, consider range rather than putting people on a hand. Pretend the flop was A76 instead, don't be like "oh I put them on 77 so I won't bet", instead lead the flop. Narrow your perception of their range based on their actions.

    Auto re-load to 100bb like everyone told you.

    Give reads on villains please. Do you have a HUD yet? If not, get a free trial and learn to use it. Seriously this will make your life a lot easier.

    Last edited by WereBeer; 01-16-2014 at 06:01 PM.
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    01-16-2014 , 06:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WereBeer
    Standard 3bet size = x3 + 1 per over caller. So (0.15 x 3) + $0.15 + $0.15 = $0.75. Raise to that pre.

    Post is fine, congrats on not spazzing out with A-high in a multiway pot like so many people do. Do not be afraid of AA/KK, mid pairs and AJ+ are more likely.

    Give reads on villains please. Do you have a HUD yet? If not, get a free trial and learn to use it. Seriously this will make your life a lot easier.
    Okay, thanks. I have a free hud but don't know how to transfer them to here easily. I have the free one : FPDB.

    Cry Me A River or anyone else, any more comments to add to my AK hand?
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    01-16-2014 , 06:52 PM
    Another AK guys. Comment both on this one and the one before this one too if you wish.


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22389241

      MP1: $7.72 (154.4 bb)
      MP2: $10.74 (214.8 bb)
      Hero (MP3): $4.30 (86 bb)
      CO: $7.69 (153.8 bb)
      BTN: $6.76 (135.2 bb)
      SB: $2.41 (48.2 bb)
      BB: $5 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: $12.57 (251.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.50) Q K J (3 players)
      SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO folds

      Turn: ($0.90) A (2 players)
      SB bets $0.60, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $0.90 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: Q K J A
      Hero mucked K A and lost (-$0.35 net)
      SB mucked and won $0.86 ($0.51 net)



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      01-16-2014 , 07:11 PM
      Call the turn, probably call most rivers unless he bombs it.
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      01-16-2014 , 07:21 PM
      Stop assuming the straight and/or flush hit.
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      01-16-2014 , 07:21 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
      Call the turn, probably call most rivers unless he bombs it.
      He would probably bomb it if I only keep calling all of his raises from the beginning which I did. River bet would probably be the size of the pot.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
      Stop assuming the straight and/or flush hit.
      Nice tip but if only I can do that after I lost 90% of hands to them. I mean, either of us only needs a 10 here and he is betting like a maniac.
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      01-16-2014 , 07:26 PM
      Preflop was too small - again. 3bb = .20

      You hit TPTK OTF. Raise/fold not call.

      Raise gives you two ways to win the pot - he can fold, or you can have the best hand. Calling only gives you one.

      Your turn gave you top 2 - and he's betting at you like he wants you off a draw.
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      01-16-2014 , 07:35 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by NaZz68
      Nice tip but if only I can do that after I lost 90% of hands to them. I mean, either of us only needs a 10 here and he is betting like a maniac.
      And it's working on you.





        WPN, 300/600 blinds, 75 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22389341

        MP3: 10,772 (18 bb)
        CO: 16,074 (26.8 bb)
        BTN: 53,707 (89.5 bb)
        SB: 7,766 (12.9 bb)
        Hero (BB): 12,802 (21.3 bb)
        UTG+1: 1,700 (2.8 bb)
        UTG+2: 24,479 (40.8 bb)
        MP1: 63,397 (105.7 bb)
        MP2: 21,681 (36.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with T 3
        UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 600, MP1 calls 600, 3 folds, BTN calls 600, SB folds, Hero checks

        Flop: (3,375) 2 T 8 (4 players)
        Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 600, MP1 calls 600, BTN calls 600, Hero calls 600

        Turn: (5,775) 7 (4 players)
        Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 600, MP1 calls 600, BTN folds, Hero calls 600

        River: (7,575) 3 (3 players)
        Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets 4,800, Hero raises to 10,927 and is all-in, 2 folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: 17,175 pot
        Final Board: 2 T 8 7 3
        Hero mucked T 3 and won 17,175 (10,500 net)
        UTG+2 mucked and lost (-1,875 net)
        MP1 mucked and lost (-6,675 net)



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        Fear of the nuts is -EV. If you call you may lose. If you fold you ALWAYS lose. Aggression > passivity, and betting and folding are both > calling most of the time.
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        01-16-2014 , 08:18 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
        Fear of the nuts is -EV. If you call you may lose. If you fold you ALWAYS lose. Aggression > passivity, and betting and folding are both > calling most of the time.
        I thought folding is EV 0, while calling/betting can still have -/+ EV
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        01-16-2014 , 08:24 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by GoodGuyGG
        I thought folding is EV 0, while calling/betting can still have -/+ EV
        Folding in a particular situation is 0 EV, folding in every situation is -EV.
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        01-16-2014 , 11:36 PM
        So NaZz68,

        you've had 9 hands commented on in this thread. What have you learned?
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        01-17-2014 , 01:52 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by DoTheMath
        So NaZz68,

        you've had 9 hands commented on in this thread. What have you learned?
        LOL exactly what I was thinking.

        NaZz68, read this thread to get you started

        http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...t-1-a-1408108/
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        01-17-2014 , 05:03 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
        Your question is only slightly more specific than 'how do I play poker?'.
        I failed to see a lot of the questions I guess but this way of wording it cracked me up...
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        01-17-2014 , 06:54 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by WereBeer
        Folding in a particular situation is 0 EV, folding in every situation is -EV.
        Yeah I didn't put that well.

        Obviously sometimes your best option is the 0EV fold - but lose and 0EV aren't the same thing either - so my post was confusing.

        When I say lose I mean that's it, you're done, out of the hand, aren't making any money. But if you fold every time your opponent stands up to you, not because you think you PROBABLY are beat but because you MIGHT be beat, then you're opponent's bets are doing exactly what they were designed to do - make the better hand fold (aka: bluff).

        Your opponent will not *always* be bluffing. Sometimes he's genuinely going to have a better hand than you. But he's not *always* going to have a better hand than you so you can't play like he does.

        Right now the way you're playing, you're so afraid of losing you're beating yourself.
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