Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1013160
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Hero (UTG): $2.66
CO: $3.38
BTN: $1.12
SB: $2.70
BB: $2.96

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.26, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.54) 3 7 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, SB raises to $2.44 all in, Hero ???

How could I have played this better? What should I do here? Any help greatly appreciated.

just my .02. I'd shove preflop. (yeah I know you'd be half-dead facing AA or KK, and could be dead anytime vs AK) Call me donk if you want

I agree at 2nl you will definitely get calls from a lot worse hands more than better.

I dunno. I'm unsure if it's +EV to shove here because I'm often getting called by worse but that seems a really high variance way to grind a BR.

I think my edge in 2NL is obviously far greater in post-flop play etc and that's where I win the majority of my money. I just don't know if I feel comfortable putting in 130 BBs when I'm almost always facing at least 10s, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK. I'm crushed by 2 of those, one I'm flipping with and the other two I dominate. It seems a break even sort of play. Against a far more solid player (and this guy seemed to be a normal sort of player who didn't 3bet light ever) I could even be facing a tighter range than that.

Aaaargh

you should have 4bet pre, but as played - call.

Shove PF, unless you have a read on SB here.

You'll get called with worse a lot. 2 hands are beating you, one is flipping. 2NL you'll get called by a lot of PP / random Ax.

Ok thanks for the advice

Do you have any stats on Villain? That will give you a clue as to what he might be playing.
Also, your flop bet could have been around $0.40 and not less than half the pot as played.

I say at .01/.02 against loose players QQ is definitely shove worthy. However, I've noticed in situations where the players are being totally dumb a shove preflop means AA, KK, or QQ which is always so irritating

I never really know if I feel comfortable stacking off with QQ. The variance must be pretty high because I'm going to run into KK and AA reasonably often

The way I figure it's an easy fold after the flop. Your pot equity needs to be about 40% to break-even (i.e. his range for 3-betting you this big needs to be this high). You need to put him on a 40% range of hands to break-even on this. I don't know what his stats are but I wouldn't think his 3-betting range would be anywhere close to this high.

Calculations:
HERO: $2.66 - $0.26 (pre-flop call) - $0.25 (flop bet) = $2.15 left in stack before villian shoves all in.

Pot Size: $2.66 (HERO's whole stack) + $2.66 (Villian's stack that HERO can win) + $0.02 (BB) = $5.34

Break-Even Equity = $2.15/$5.34 = 40%

What ??

Even if we put him on a range of JJ+,AK - 3% of hands - we have better than 50% equity, never mind better than the pot odds ...

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Board: 3d 7d 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.570% 53.21% 01.36% 18436 472.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 45.430% 44.07% 01.36% 15269 472.50 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


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Sorry about that Alienspace. I'm at work and don't have Pokerstove accessible to me. If you pokerstoved it and those stats are right then I'm wrong and its not a fold because your equity in the pot is greater than 40% (your break-even equity). I was just trying to estimate what I thought the equity would be in my head without pokerstove and would have intuitively thought it would have been less than 40%. Too hard to do in my head but thanks for the correction.

probably up against AA or KK...unless you have stats people at 2nl love shoving or betting HUGE with overpairs because they see no way they can lose. unless this guy is 80/65 maniac its probably something big

probably wrong, but im a nit

This is where I wish I had a HUD

don't shove pre... 4bet to about 75c

Call / Fold 5bet?

obv call...

shoving for 10x more is going to fold out too many hands that you have crushed. you can raise to 75-80c and shove the flop. A good player will either fold or shove cuz he knows he's pot committed on the flop, but bad players will call with a wide range because it's for not too much more, then call the rest off on the flop. Sux if he calls and an A or K comes off on the flop, but most hands that contain an A or a K woulda called a shove and woulda hit it anyway.

If you had AK, 4bet shoving would make more sense because it's much harder to play a flop, and you can fold out lower pairs like 99s, which is good if you have AK, not so if you have QQ