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11-06-2016 , 09:51 PM
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    Poker Stars, $0.23 Buy-in (10/20 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37484859

    CO: 1,477 (73.9 bb)
    BTN: 1,477 (73.9 bb)
    SB: 1,477 (73.9 bb)
    BB: 1,604 (80.2 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,497 (74.9 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,477 (73.9 bb)
    MP1: 1,497 (74.9 bb)
    MP2: 1,497 (74.9 bb)
    MP3: 1,497 (74.9 bb)

    Preflop:
    5 folds, CO calls 20, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

    Flop: (87) 4 5 A (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, CO checks

    Turn: (87) K (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, CO checks

    River: (87) 4 (3 players)
    SB bets 43, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 87 pot
    Final Board: 4 5 A K 4
    CO mucked and lost (-23 net)
    SB mucked and won 87 (64 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-23 net)



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    Could CO call here with A7 after BB folds? just started tourny no reads on SB. What sort of range could we put SB on here?
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    11-06-2016 , 09:57 PM
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    If I were the CO, I would definitely call the river the way this hand played out. However, if I were CO I also definitely would have bet earlier. I may have checked the flop as CO with A7, but if I did so, I definitely would have bet the turn.
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    11-06-2016 , 10:03 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lego05
    If I were the CO, I would definitely call the river the way this hand played out. However, if I were CO I also definitely would have bet earlier. I may have checked the flop as CO with A7, but if I did so, I definitely would have bet the turn.
    Would you call with KQ-KT from co on river?
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    11-06-2016 , 10:09 PM
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    Would you call with KQ-KT from co on river?
    Yea, probably actually.

    To back up though: I am never ever ever in CO's spot here. Whatever hand CO has, the pre-flop play is awful. CO should never have A7, KT, KJ or KQ. Those could all be raises pre-flop, but A7o and KTo may be a bit loose and could instead be folds.
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    11-06-2016 , 10:13 PM
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    Quote:
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    Yea, probably actually.

    To back up though: I am never ever ever in CO's spot here. Whatever hand CO has, the pre-flop play is awful. CO should never have A7, KT, KJ or KQ. Those could all be raises pre-flop, but A7o and KTo may be a bit loose and could instead be folds.
    is A9-A2o worth folding?
    ATo worth raising?
    A2s+ worth raising?

    is something like K9s worth raising or is that too loose?
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    11-06-2016 , 10:32 PM
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    I actually feel that lately I have drifted into being too loose and raising too much from specifically the CO and have been trying to cut that back. I also mostly play cash games and not tournaments. I would certainly raise ATo+ and A2s+. K9s could be depending on the players behind me (it is loose though [bottom of range if raised]) and maybe I'd raise some of those other Ax offsuit hands depending on the players behind me (mostly if they fold too much pre-flop).
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    11-06-2016 , 10:38 PM
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    Originally Posted by Lego05
    I actually feel that lately I have drifted into being too loose and raising too much from specifically the CO and have been trying to cut that back. I also mostly play cash games and not tournaments. I would certainly raise ATo+ and A2s+. K9s could be depending on the players behind me (it is loose though [bottom of range if raised]) and maybe I'd raise some of those other Ax offsuit hands depending on the players behind me.
    What are your reasons to raising preflop with A2s+ or ATo?
    Are you raising to drive out opponents since A2s is 40% chance of winning against two random hands. if you drive out one opponent your about a 60% chance of winning against one random hand. If both opponents fold you win the blinds.

    Also when you raise with A4s you can see whether the opponent has a hand or not. He might re-raise suggesting he has a better hand than A4s. he might call suggesting he doesnt have AA but a hand like 88s. he could be slow playing AA tho.

    Whether calling with 88s from the button or the blinds is correct against a unknown early in a mtt i dont know
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    11-06-2016 , 10:49 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lego05
    I actually feel that lately I have drifted into being too loose and raising too much from specifically the CO and have been trying to cut that back. I also mostly play cash games and not tournaments. I would certainly raise ATo+ and A2s+. K9s could be depending on the players behind me (it is loose though [bottom of range if raised]) and maybe I'd raise some of those other Ax offsuit hands depending on the players behind me.
    What are your reasons to raising preflop with A2s+ or ATo?
    Are you raising to drive out opponents since A2s is 40% chance of winning against two random hands. if you drive out one opponent your about a 60% chance of winning against one random hand. If both opponents fold you win the blinds as long as the button folds.
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    11-06-2016 , 10:49 PM
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    No, river is a clear fold as played, however CO missed a bit on the flop and the turn. His decision to open limp in the CO is also questionable; I prefer a fold.
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    11-06-2016 , 10:52 PM
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    Quote:
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    No, river is a clear fold as played, however CO missed a bit on the flop and the turn. His decision to open limp in the CO is also questionable; I prefer a fold.
    Why is river a clear fold?
    Lego05 is a definite caller here.
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    11-06-2016 , 11:07 PM
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    Quote:
    Why is river a clear fold?
    In general it is a mistake to start with the assumption that your opponents are bluffing you. Making frequent calls under this assumption can turn an otherwise profitable player into a losing one. I'm not suggesting that you should never bluff catch, of course, but this should be the exception and not the rule.
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    11-07-2016 , 12:37 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
    In general it is a mistake to start with the assumption that your opponents are bluffing you. Making frequent calls under this assumption can turn an otherwise profitable player into a losing one. I'm not suggesting that you should never bluff catch, of course, but this should be the exception and not the rule.
    whats SB's range? Flush? trips? fullhouse? straight?
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