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01-14-2010 , 07:27 PM
The villain was suuuper aggro so i flatted PF expecting to easily get three streets of value Check/Calling if i hit the flop. When the river brought a rag i figured he might not fire a 3rd barrell with air so i put in a small bet figuring i could get him to bluff-raise all in

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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UTG: $9.90
UTG+1: $3.85
MP: $10.00
CO: $2.00
BTN: $22.20
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $16.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q A
UTG raises to $0.50, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) A 3 J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.65) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($3.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10, UTG raises to $8 all in, Hero calls $6.90
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01-14-2010 , 08:00 PM
Basically i don't know if AQ is a strong enough hand to play like this
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01-14-2010 , 08:11 PM
it's not.
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01-14-2010 , 08:15 PM
So... what did he have? Pocket aces? I cant really figure out what else would shove on the river given the drawless board. 5x pre seems pretty big for AJ utg, maybe not JJ since its 6 handed, everything else that it could be seems ******ed. Call on river didnt seem quite worthwhile either. Then again, I dont know much 'bout dis here pokah.
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01-14-2010 , 09:32 PM
fold river, and learn to fold Top pair top/good kicker to strength like that.
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01-15-2010 , 12:38 PM
Just check/call the river. Why did you suddenly decide to lead against someone who is super aggro and has bet every street so far?
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01-15-2010 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Just check/call the river. Why did you suddenly decide to lead against someone who is super aggro and has bet every street so far?
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Originally Posted by Its Sick
When the river brought a rag i figured he might not fire a 3rd barrell with air so i put in a small bet figuring i could get him to bluff-raise all in
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I think he tricked him.
He read him for supper agrodonk and played him. Probably had a mid ace imo.

GGK

Last edited by GrooGrux King; 01-15-2010 at 01:00 PM. Reason: gut shot or lame jack was possible...
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01-15-2010 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GrooGrux King
I think he tricked him.
He read him for supper agrodonk and played him. Probably had a mid ace imo.

GGK
I'll bet $30 against your $20 that villain in this hand did not have a one pair mid A.
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01-15-2010 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Just check/call the river. Why did you suddenly decide to lead against someone who is super aggro and has bet every street so far?
This. Expecting him to fire again with diamonds anyway, and prob won't check behind Ax.
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01-15-2010 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I'll bet $30 against your $20 that villain in this hand did not have a one pair mid A.
NO!

Why would I do that? Im guessing blind on a read from a game I haven't played at. If he is a super agrodonk I can see him having a weak ace or the jack even.
What do you think he had?

GGK
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01-15-2010 , 01:07 PM
Why would he turn Ax/Jx into a bluff?
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01-15-2010 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GrooGrux King
NO!

Why would I do that? Im guessing blind on a read from a game I haven't played at. If he is a super agrodonk I can see him having a weak ace or the jack even.
What do you think he had?

GGK
I don't know anything more than you.


I think he has a hand that's better than AQ or a bluff (often missed diamonds but just air a decent amount) ....... and I think it's a good bit more weighted toward hands better than AQ.


I think check/call the river is a much better line.
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01-15-2010 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Next Hype
Why would he turn Ax/Jx into a bluff?
Exactly.

Every now and then some players will shove with A8 here I guess. But even most really bad players will just call the river bet with a mid A or a J.

And if hero checked most of them would have bet the river with an A and some would sometimes with a J. Plus a lot of aggro donks will just fire again with nothing.


I think I prefer CRAI on the river to bet/calling. And actually that may not be a bad idea to consider.
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01-15-2010 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I don't know anything more than you.


I think he has a hand that's better than AQ or a bluff (often missed diamonds but just air a decent amount) ....... and I think it's a good bit more weighted toward hands better than AQ.


I think check/call the river is a much better line.
Agreed 100%I'm deft not promoting the line...
but he said he had him as a super agro donk.
He figured out a way to get the stacks in the middle. If that's what he wanted he did a good job.

C/C is deft the line but if he has this read on him then nice play. I think he turned over A9 but that donk bet on the flop is so read dependent!

GGK
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01-15-2010 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Next Hype
Why would he turn Ax/Jx into a bluff?
Agree...but it's not me, you, or other 2p2'ers.
It's an agro donkey and this is one of there spews.
They read that bet as weak and go all in cause the guys on TV do it.

GGK
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01-15-2010 , 01:22 PM
Even bad aggro players should have a polarized range when they shove river here. Heavily weighted towards value hands here please.
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01-15-2010 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Next Hype
Even bad aggro players should have a polarized range when they shove river here. Heavily weighted towards value hands here please.
I think of Moneymaker's missed flush instantly...I don't know why I just do.

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01-15-2010 , 01:31 PM
I'm not familiar with it but shoving a missed flush draw here is completely different to shoving Ax conceptually
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01-15-2010 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GrooGrux King
I think of Moneymaker's missed flush instantly...I don't know why I just do.

That's kinda the point. He may shove a missed flush here. With A9 he'll probably call.
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01-15-2010 , 01:35 PM
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I'm not familiar with it but shoving a missed flush draw here is completely different to shoving Ax conceptually
True..I just think of that every time I see the play.

The whole thing I got from this thread is if you have the read that "agrodonk" will shove it if you donkbet into him, then you made the right play.

This line is garbage against most players, but if you know what the player is gonna do, and you get him to do it,you got to see it through.

GGK
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01-15-2010 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
That's kinda the point. He may shove a missed flush here. With A9 he'll probably call.
Agree again 100%...but

We can't give this player type the same line of thinking as we give to ourselves.
This guy thinks A9 is the nut's.He bluffs over donk bets cause he saw it on TV.
He doesn't come to the forums and thinks flopping a boat is a fishing accident.
*Again this is just against a specific player type, and won't work on reg's.*

Think about this...
What if everyone who folds makes up for the times he get's called on this shove that the villain did?
This play works against nits who fold?Maybe...hmmm.

GGK
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01-15-2010 , 01:43 PM
The problem is I don't see any specific reasoning to believe that if hero donkbets the river villain will spazz out and bluff shove. I just see that he is aggressive. With that being the only info I think it is much more likely villain will bluff if hero checks than if hero donks out.
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01-15-2010 , 01:46 PM
Agree, unless he is the agrodonk the OP reads him for.

Donking into agrodonks induces spazzy bluffs.
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01-15-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GrooGrux King
Agree, unless he is the agrodonk the OP reads him for.
No. Checking def induces air to take a stab more often whether aggro or otherwise. C/R might be an ok line here depending on how much he bets.
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