Here's my graph of 2NL and it paints a very clear picture.



Started off okay. Started 24-tabling at 25k hand mark and was more or less break even doing that. Went back to 6 tables at 55k hands and continued to crush 2NL.

And here we have my 5NL graph.



This graph really doesn't tell much of a story. Started out on a heater, and since that point I don't know what has happened. I've experimented with a number of different gameplay types (LAG vs. TAG) and had success in both.

Guys I'm running out of ideas and don't know what needs to change. Below are my recent sessions.



And my bb/100 ratios.



Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get out of this rut? I should not be at .28bb/100 over 60k hands.

Well, as someone who only beat 2NL at 6bb/100, I'm not sure you can expect to beat 5NL to a decent extent. Perhaps 2bb/100 but variance at that winrate is insane, so it's easy to have a 60k hand downswing (and this isn't even a DS, it's basically a breakeven stretch). I'd work on your game some more.

What makes you say that?

To put it bluntly, you just made a very long post that contains no useful information that would allow anyone to answer the questions you've asked. You haven't even included the most basic of stats like VPIP and PFR, let alone anything like positional stats, post flop stats or actual hand histories.

That you don't even know how to ask for help suggests that you in no way "deserve" to be beating the game at all.

Have you ever read through the stats thread? That might be a good place to start:

** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

How many tables are you playing?

I'm confident had I not stupidly 24-tabled at 2NL and broke even for the most part, I'd be well above 6bb.

@CMAR

Overall Leak Buster Stats:



Positional Stats:



Flop Leak Buster Stats:



EV Stats:

Not sure why there's such a huge difference between the net won and EV Adjusted in 5NL.



I've posted a bunch of hands on my progress log and just general stuff there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...s-log-1334641/

6.

I posted this on my progress log for my mentor Keith to look at if it helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFQ2kHnSixM

Just quickly looking through your stats, I think this is FR:

You're a bit too loose for your likely postflop ability.
You're not 3betting enough (though I'm not sure about this at FR).
You're getting to showdown too often with the worst hand, likely paying off rivers in spots you shouldn't be.
You're probably calling a bit too much from the blinds and playing a couple of hands too many in EP (and not playing loose enough from the BTN).

You're also running way below EV, which indicates running bad, though doesn't mean it's certainly the case.

I'd dial it back to no more than 4 until I was comfortably crushing.

Even 2 wouldn't be the worst thing you could do.

To be fair, though, looks like you're running a bit crap in all-in spots.
Your EV adjusted @ 5nl is 3bb/100.

Good Luck.

EDIT: Ah, right, if we're talking FR, I guess you can get away with more tables.
But more 'n 4, when you're not totally comfy with the limit just seems like asking for trouble.

I'm comfortable on 6 and think I have more than enough time to make decisions and what not, just not sure they're always correct. Is it possible I'm running bad over this 60k sample? I honestly feel as though I am getting more than my far share of bad beats and suckouts. And that's not just me making an excuse for being aggressively average at 5NL but lately it seems to be that way. I don't remember the last time I hit a set and profited from it TBH.

I'm looking at a lot of mid stakes 6-max strategy videos and think my understanding of advanced concepts is improving rapidly however most of the things I'm learning can't be applied at 5NL FR. It's almost as though I'm forgetting the basics? Or trying to apply 6-max strategies at micro FR?

I'm guess I'm going to have to start playing tighter and folding more on the river. I'm going to make a note every time I'm in a 'WTF do I do here situation' and post all of those hands here after each session (I guess it's the closes thing to a sweat session).

Well, you *are* running crap in all-in spots.

Small sample and you run bad when you all in pre sd.So keep play you A game and try dont tilt etc.GL

Biggest difference between 2nl and 5nl the number and "quality" of fish (as stressed in great detail by black rain). Therefore table selection and management way more important at 5nl than 2nl. Poor table selection will have way, way more impact on your results than anything in your stats.

JMO

You say your getting crushed, and post a graph showing you with a small win, and a much bigger win at Allin EV. That's not getting crushed.

off topic - commander keen is my hero!

Table selection isn't needed at the micros really, because 99.9% of people at the micros are lolbad (even the majority of "regs").

theres very little difference between 2nl and 5nl, you're syking yourself out too much imo just dont trip out

"Using the table VPIP averages that many sites display as a guide for table selection is not something that I do at all anymore in 2013 games. The micros have tightened up considerably in the last 3 or 4 years and especially at the lowest stakes there are an absurd amount of what I like to call "super nits." These are guys with a VPIP of like 9 at a full ring table and 12 or 13 at a 6max table. All they know how to do is play absurdly tight. What these guys do though, and nits in general, is bring down the table averages so much that you don't even realize that the 40 VPIP whale is sitting right there! So I much prefer to simply sit at tables with people who are unknowns to me and wait an orbit or two for the stats to come in." - BlackRain79

So Blackrain said that VPIP isn't something he really pays attention to in 2nl/5nl because it can be deceiving. But he does stress table selection, I wasn't really clear on that...

Yeah. For me I typically just waitlist any table with a VPIP of 20+ and don't put any more thought into it than that. That or I'll join tables with full stacks.

VPIP is often meaningless. Bad players can play 9% of hands, and good players can play 30+% of hands. It's really not difficult to exploit anyone at the micros, period.

Get Blackrain79's Crushing The Micros

Read it cover to cover.

Maybe 5 years ago but these days even at 2nl, the majority of players are pretty solid grinders, and not stacking off without a big hand, which means that getting their money is often like pulling teeth unless you are running hot, or get a really fishy table which seems hard these days.

just not true! their ranges are imbalanced and exploitable.
Posts like this are just blaming the player pool while ignoring your own lack of skill.

lol, really? The majority of players at NL2 are "pretty solid grinders"? Please tell me you're joking.

Just because people don't stack off without a large hand doesn't make them unexploitable. Being a bad player has a lot more to do than how someone got the money in. A bad player could be a normal reg who adjusts to 3bets wrongly, and jams with bad hands. In fact, I had a hand AIPF with AKo vs. a "pretty solid grinder" regs AJo, since I 3bet him the hand prior and gave myself the image of being an aggro-tard.

A bad player could be anyone who constantly turns their hands face up. A nit is a good example of this since it's so easy to put them on a range. They're not X/R'ing A72r with AJo for instance.

A bad player could also be somebody who doesn't value bet thinly in places where they should. You'd be surprised how many times you can get value from worse hands than your subpar hands by betting smaller on the river.

If you cannot get an NL2 regulars money than you're not prepared to be playing Online Poker at all. Finding a fishy table is extremely easy as well, since you only need to sit down at one of the majority of tables to do so.

So you've read it cover to cover, but you are not willing to employ his ideas on table selection, but you are willing to bleat about results.

Sorry mate, not following your logic at all.

for those who say 2nl/5nl are the same, guess you haven't read CTM at all. BR maintains the diffrecne between 2nl and 5nl is one of the biggest in online poker. Maybe you should pop over to Drag the Bar and tell him he is talking ****e.