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03-15-2010 , 01:40 AM
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Example i raise in ep with qq and get 1 caller. The flop comes xxa and i c_bet and get called. I know i need play pot control at this point so should i check or lead out on the turn? For now lets assume a dry boad.
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03-15-2010 , 01:43 AM
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I check 90% of the time for pot control you dont wanna build the pot to big. If villain make a PSB in the turn I am probably folding unless I have a read on him that he is a bluffer. Or if you think he see's you as a passive player.
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03-15-2010 , 03:10 AM
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check/fold.
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03-15-2010 , 03:23 AM
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check/fold.
OR you fire out on the turn to find out where you're at. How do you know otherwise? You're giving the initiative to the vil and a free card. (This is a random vil with no info right now)

Who says he has Ax? Maybe he has 99. It's sort of along the lines of the PLO/nuts psychology.

You can pot control with a small bet on the turn. If you get raised, well GG. Acceptable alternative no?
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03-15-2010 , 05:18 AM
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OR you fire out on the turn to find out where you're at. How do you know otherwise? You're giving the initiative to the vil and a free card. (This is a random vil with no info right now)

Who says he has Ax? Maybe he has 99. It's sort of along the lines of the PLO/nuts psychology.

You can pot control with a small bet on the turn. If you get raised, well GG. Acceptable alternative no?
yes random vil but my problem with always folding when they raise the ace is any observant people at the table and yes i know they are few and far between at 2nl will say hey every time these is an ace on board i'm gonna float this dude and raise/bet the turn. Then again i am a loser with under pairs so folding them is probably not a huge mistake.
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03-15-2010 , 05:24 AM
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ok part 2 of my question say i bet the turn and get called check the river or lead out again. At 2 nl i usually bet again versus a random as to many people call down with bottom with 3rd and 4th pair. I've read though that this is spew and that with up's you wanna just bet 2 streets preferable to the flop and river. Not sure why the river is preferable to the turn.
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03-15-2010 , 05:25 AM
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OR you fire out on the turn to find out where you're at. How do you know otherwise? You're giving the initiative to the vil and a free card. (This is a random vil with no info right now)

Who says he has Ax? Maybe he has 99. It's sort of along the lines of the PLO/nuts psychology.

You can pot control with a small bet on the turn. If you get raised, well GG. Acceptable alternative no?
well OP gave a limited description of the hand so i had to make my own assummptions.

i assumed flop was fairly dry, we cbet into a guy who has position on us. its beginners forum so prob micro stakes which means more than likely villain is a fish and also that he is likely passive. in which case he will have a ton of Ax hands, and a lot of hands which will just check down if u check. its not like hes floating u every time to try and take the pot away on the turn. if he has 99 like u suggested then it just goes check/check.
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03-15-2010 , 05:29 AM
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ok part 2 of my question say i bet the turn and get called check the river or lead out again. At 2 nl i usually bet again versus a random as to many people call down with bottom with 3rd and 4th pair. I've read though that this is spew and that with up's you wanna just bet 2 streets preferable to the flop and river. Not sure why the river is preferable to the turn.
if u bet turn then villain will see the possibility that he may have to call 2 more bets. if u bet the river, he only has to call 1 bet to see a showdown, so should make him more likely to call lighter. also bet/check/bet looks bluffier than bet/bet, because why would u check a big hand on the turn?

also if turn goes check/check, its unlikely he has super strong hand and therefore his range on the river is weaker than his range on the turn, so u can bet for value more profitably on the the river than u could have done on the turn.
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03-15-2010 , 07:21 AM
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if u bet turn then villain will see the possibility that he may have to call 2 more bets. if u bet the river, he only has to call 1 bet to see a showdown, so should make him more likely to call lighter. also bet/check/bet looks bluffier than bet/bet, because why would u check a big hand on the turn?

also if turn goes check/check, its unlikely he has super strong hand and therefore his range on the river is weaker than his range on the turn, so u can bet for value more profitably on the the river than u could have done on the turn.
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