scenario 3
11 players left.
Blinds 100,000/200,000 ante 20,000
High Stack 45,000,000
Avg Stack 14,000,000

Low chipstack 220,000
2nd Low chipstack 350,000
Your Chipstack 19,000,000

11th place pays $300,000
10th place pays $325,000
9th place pays $1,000,000
You are in SB with AA.
BB comes up to low chipstack forcing him in. UTG is the other low stack coming into the blind.
Chip leader on Button pushes all in.
Are u still calling and risking a fairly certain 675k or are you going to "go for it" to win the tourney?

If you flopped the highest straight possible on a rainbow flop and you're facing three opponents who have their cards face up, one has a set, the other has a backdoor flush draw, and the other has a gutshot to a higher straight, would you call if they all went all in?

Why wouldn't you? You have the NUTS! Well, pre-flop, ACES ARE THE NUTS! Don't fold! Poker is all about making your opponents make mistakes according to the fundamental theorem of poker, no matter how you make your opponents do it. Whether it's through being an unreadable player who has an extremely balanced game, whether it's through bullying and getting people's egos fired up, any way at all. You had the best of it, and you never even had to be a great player or a bully. What more could you ask for? Oh wait, more players to call the all in......

" He went in ALL OF A SUDDEN!"?? Did he scare you? A faint heart never won a fair lady, and you don't really need heart to call this all in unless it's your life savings. Jesus, $13?

Wait... even better
Last Scenario.. Promise

10 players left.
Blinds 100,000/200,000 ante 20,000
High Stack 45,000,000
Avg Stack 14,000,000
You are Low chipstack 220,000

10th place pays $325,000
9th place pays $1,000,000

You are on the button with AA. (enough ante for once around the table).

UTG through CO go all in. Do you call?

jesus christ... yes.. I'm playing for the win not to say I won a million or some stupid **** like that. You are probably the same type of person that said Craig Marquis made a terrible play at the ft 2 years ago because kelly kim was super short and marquis could have easily gotten 8th place.

Yeah some stupid thing like winning a million

lol made up situations

Just don't folded aces preflop period - theres no point in discussing weird cases, when you're learning the game you learn alot by rule of thumb and understanding basic principles - not folding aces preflop ever is one of them

buffulojt: All of your scenarios are VERY CLEAR ABSOLUTELY UNAMBIGUOUS CALLS. You should stop trying. If it's not abundantly clear why you must call in every one of the situations described above, you really have almost no chance of being successful in poker long run. I almost never give such unreservedly critcal feedback, but this is a total failure to understand the most fundamental ideas of poker. Or maybe, just *maybe* your only problem is that you haven't got a clue about tournaments at all.

[ ] - OP understands and likes to be in +EV situations

I have found the perfect cash game scenario where folding AA preflop would undeniably be the right play.

You're the big blind at a 9-handed cash game table. One by one, the whole table moves all in. You look down at AA and are about to call. But then, everyone else for some reason turns their cards face-up. You look around the table, and you see the following hands:
T9, 87, AK, QJ, 54, 33, 66, and A2. You see that there are very, very, very few boards that allow your hand to win unimproved, which is the only way for it to win since your outs are gone. So you fold, then look on in disgust as the board runs out KJ852.

Far-fetched? Indeed, But, so are all these dream scenarios where the whole table moves all in preflop in the first place.

I call BS. AA still has enough equity I think. Did you PokerStove this?

EDIT: AA has <5% equity wtf

Scenario 4 was a jab at your inability to understand risk/reward.

I have cashed in 11 WSOP events in that last 6 years. Seven of those in the last 3 years. So to Zagdignose (I'm pretty sure I do know how to play tournaments).

So, if you ever get to the Rio in June, please play "correctly". At least you will have a great story to tell about being the bubble boy getting your aces cracked by a 78 suited.

cashing is nothing to brag about in my opinion I mean its cool that you played them and definitely an accomplishment in life but as far as tournament poker goes I don't think anyone considers "cashing" the main goal.I would rather bubble in 50 and come in first in 1 then cash in 20 and come in first in 0 of course assuming all prize pool and payouts are the same.Not knocking your accomplishment but you are kind of bragging a bit and I'm just saying if I cashed in 11 wsops and never final tabled it would piss me off a bit and I would definitely not be happy about it and use it as proof of my tournament playing ability.

For your information, I've WON (as in 1st place) the WSOP Main Event for the last SEVENTEEN YEARS STRAIGHT! So top that!

But seriously, "cashing" in a tournament is not very special, as has been pointed out, and if you make it your main goal to cash, you'll be more successful in this limited goal than those who actually play to make MONEY. Whether or not your claim is based in reality, if your posts in this thread were not *100% troll material*, then no, you don't know how to play tournaments.

No sensible player on the planet would ever fold aces in any of the scenarios you described.

Off topic but I've never heard that saying before. I like it, you've inspired me to try harder for this married bird lives round the corner. Thanks

You've cashed 11 times in the softest tourney fields in the world? Go you!

If you're talking about folding aces preflop you know very little about how to play poker, let alone tournaments. You've inspired me to take a shot in a WSOP donkament sometime though.

So to recap,

we've discovered the only time you should fold AA pre flop is in a situation that will never arise.

WSOP examples are all bs, i insta ship with AA in all the mentioned situations. The only way I could ever consider folding them, maybe is If i was flat broke, Hungry and Homeless and i found a WSOPME entry ticket lying round that i couldn't sell, and had AA on the bubble with 3 all ins in front of me, i'd have to stab myslef in the face but i think I could just about manage to find a fold.

If you're on the bubble of a satelite?

1000 people top 100 get a ticket to whatever. 101 people left . 8 people are very shortstacked. You are equal chip leader with 4 times average stack. Other chip leader pushes.


I see a satty as the only reasonable time to fold as you only need to place.
Maybe certain situations in a DoN as well.

Without some kind of proof I'm gonna have to go ahead and call bull**** on this.

Excellent

You really needed to stove it? It's pretty easy to see that AA is drawing very, very slim here, no? You lose on any paired board, any 3 to a flush, and just about any board that's even semi-coordinated. And you have no outs to re-suck other than to two flushes, and a few ties with the other Aces.

Seems like a standard fold OP. Don't look back just do it.

I think that in situations like this you need to look deep inside your soul and ask yourself, are they going to win? You need to place your hand on the back of the monitor by the card projector that Full Tilt put there when you installed their software and feel it, become one with it. Only then will you know the answer to your question about whether or not to call or fold. This is the essence of poker.

Never go all in preflop with AA... you never know someone might call you with pp2's and hit a set!