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04-17-2015 , 10:03 PM
Well I been playing 1/2nl 100 buy in at the local casinos here in California. My bankroll is about 30 plus full buy ins right now. So I started with a $100 buy in and went down to like $10 bucks. So I purchased $100 more giving me like $110. I get dealt AA on the button. The first player to act raised to 10, the player after him was a house player. He pushed all in with 100 plus and everyone called, 100 plus or close to it. I noticed the guy who raised to ten was pushing his chips forward pretty much calling, and I had no idea if the small blind or big blind were going to call.

I decided to fold, because there were 3 house players all in, and the other players were solid players as well. I was already in two buy ins, and I am trying to protect my bankroll. I thought $100 was too much of a gamble vs 5, 6 or even more callers.

Anyways the winning hand was q6 suited by the guy who initially raised to ten. The other hands were not that impressive, AQ, and 1010 by two house players were the better hands, but q6 won with two pair.

Even though my aces would have been cracked, I feel I should of called. I do not think I was scared of loosing, I just did not feel like grinding back from two buy ins if I did not win. I been there about 3 hours already.

Was this a bad lay down, since I have 30 plus buy ins; Should I have gambled? Anyways I finished that session with $140, only took a $60 dollar loss, if I would of called it would of been a $200 loss, or even worse if I would of gone on tilt from there.

Has anyone folded pocket aces before or am I a total donk?
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04-17-2015 , 11:26 PM
You don't protect your bankroll by folding the best hand preflop. If you're that worried about losing, you're playing too high stakes. You should be fistpump shoving AA preflop if given the opportunity in every situation except some weird satellite bubble spot.

E: Also, why does it matter how solid the other players are? Their skill level doesn't matter, because you have freakin' aces.
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04-17-2015 , 11:51 PM
1/2nl 100 buy in is the lowest buy in, I could short buy with 40 in some casinos. I wish there were lower stakes at casinos. I do not like limit holdem. Everyone calls.
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04-18-2015 , 12:29 AM
That's not a bad lay down imo. Assuming that you were at a 9 handed table and by the time the decision got to you there were already 5 players in for ~ 100. Sure that's a big pot brewing, but high pairs prefer few opponents and it seems like this was going to be a community pot. Other hands like suited connectors ( AK - JT ) play much better multiway.
It sounds like you were at a table where most of the players were there to play " bingo poker. " if that's the case you can expect to see more than your fair share of suck outs. Q6 fits the description quite well in this hand
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04-18-2015 , 12:39 AM
Its a horrible fold you have probably around 25% equity and you are getting around 8-1 on your money. If you are afraid to "gamble" here you're in the wrong business.
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04-18-2015 , 12:46 AM
Hahahaha!
That reminds me, I need to go to San Diego.
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04-18-2015 , 01:56 AM
Folding was terribad. Either snap shove that situation or learn limit.
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04-18-2015 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RoyHobbs
That's not a bad lay down imo.
You're flat out wrong and neither you or OP understand the absolute basics of NLHE.

This is the easiest fistpump shove in the world.

Last edited by WereBeer; 04-18-2015 at 03:28 AM.
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04-18-2015 , 05:02 AM
^^ WB beat me to it...let me add something else

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Should I have gambled
What do you think you are doing when you walk through a casino door?

Poker is a gambling game pure and simple...your job is to get your money in as a favorite...pure and simple. This was the sort of opportunity that good gamblers pray for, and you passed it up.

Clearly you need to learn about poker, but before you do that, you (and the Hobbs guy) need to learn about basic gambling and basic odds.
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04-18-2015 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
Has anyone folded pocket aces before?
Pre-flop in a cashgame? Hahahaha. I think my internet connection died once and I timed out, and I've misclick folded a couple of times too, but to voluntarily fold aces pre-flop in a cash game makes no sense.
In live games where you can go three weeks without being dealt aces, I think you should probably be banned from the casino if you fold when you finally get them.
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04-18-2015 , 07:26 AM
How can you fold THE BEST HAND IN THE GAME PREFLOP with so many callers. Even if you lose you should be happy imo.
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04-18-2015 , 07:51 AM
Lol OP, when you get dealt pocket aces, everyone going all in before the action gets you to is the dream scenario.
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04-18-2015 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Pre-flop in a cashgame? Hahahaha.
Also, this is from the perspective of Arty, who is officially the biggest nit in BQ

But really, no poker player ever folds here, it's the dream spot.
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04-18-2015 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Also, this is from the perspective of Arty, who is officially the biggest nit in BQ
I resemble that remark.

Tbh, I was gonna say "I am a massive nit and I've made some ridiculous folds in my time, but..."
I'd be shoveling in my chips like Hellmuth.
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04-18-2015 , 12:04 PM
if you fold AA PREFlop in a CASHgame, stop playing NLHE.

It seems clear that you dont have much experience, and i would suggest playing online at the lowest limit (NL 2). Increase slowly tables so you can multitable and get lots of experience under your belt in a short amount of time
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04-18-2015 , 06:38 PM
Yes I feel that I should of called, but there was just to many players. I guess I had a gut feeling that calling was no good hear. I regret not calling, but I am also happy I folded.
Im grinding and its getting harder now. I was doing well in the beginning, was even thinking that this might be a side job, but I been getting sucked out lately. And I do play online .10nl and I fold pocket pairs too when its raise to 70 plus cents. Guess I am playing scared poker. I only call 70cents plus with 1010 or better.
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04-18-2015 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
Yes I feel that I should of called, but there was just to many players. I guess I had a gut feeling that calling was no good hear. I regret not calling, but I am also happy I folded.
Im grinding and its getting harder now
. I was doing well in the beginning, was even thinking that this might be a side job, but I been getting sucked out lately. And I do play online .10nl and I fold pocket pairs too when its raise to 70 plus cents. Guess I am playing scared poker. I only call 70cents plus with 1010 or better.
Somehow I think it's not grinding that is getting harder, it's pretty darn tough to make a profit if you fold the most profitable hand you are ever going to get dealt.

If you are capable of folding here, I can think of a million more spots where you make absolutely disastrous folds. Folding to avoid risk is not a good play, it isn't in poker and it isn't in life. You don't avoid going outside because a car might hit you right?

If you want to save money or even actually profit from playing, don't play a single hand before you truly understand and believe that this thinking is just setting money on fire.
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04-18-2015 , 09:26 PM
Lose the gut feelings. Either something can be logically justified or it cannot, a gut feeling will start having you make bad plays that can't be justified any other way.
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04-18-2015 , 10:19 PM
Yes. It was a bad play. You seem to have the bankroll for it, no reason for scared money plays.


I asked a question about how many players you wanted in with AA
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-want-1524573/

I was feeling bad after losing 2 monster pots with AA, gettiing it all-in 3 way and 4 way. It was the right move, and I'd do it again. As a matter of fact, after reading responses (and the math), I like your situation even better. Yes, even though you lost.


There are very few reasons, and they are so ridiculously unlikely to happen to you (or I), that it doesn't bear much consideration unless you are in those circumstances:

- tourney on the bubble with all places paying the same, and multiple others already all-in
- Some kind of prize (tv show) for highest finishing chipstack, that you have already locked up can fold your way into an even bigger prize
- A really OMC (Old Man Coffee), a guy who arrived early with a single buy-in, planning to spend many hours in the card room (or walking around), unwilling to risk going broke early and not having money to play later.

Cash game in a local room, with a solid bankroll? No excuses for not shipping it preflop.
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04-18-2015 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
Yes I feel that I should of called, but there was just to many players.
There's no better situation to be in preflop than to have Aces and have several people all-in already. The more, the better. If you had a proper understanding of EV (expected value), you'd want the whole table in with you.
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04-19-2015 , 03:10 AM
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I regret not calling, but I am also happy I folded.
Im grinding and its getting harder now.
You describe a live table where aggrotards are shoving in pre with any two. In what universe is this any sort of grind? If I had 30 buys in and local access I'd be in there all the live long day. Even just for the ****s n giggles.

Also, if you are still happy you folded after what has been posted here, I think you wasting your time in BQ...you obviously have your own game plan for poker...have at it and GL.
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04-19-2015 , 05:00 AM
Too many pile-ups here. The correct answer depends on your financial situation (though this sounds trollish due to saying "they are good players" when holding the mortal nuts with no post-flop action required on your part).

If you're broke and don't want to coinflip for 7:1 money (again, trollish; even in 2003 people weren't 7-way 50bb cold), then the laydown is fine. By broke, I mean broke, but from an ev standpoint, yes, it's a snap call.
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04-19-2015 , 06:16 AM
No, it's not OK. If you're broke and can't afford to lose the money the correct play is to rack your chips, cash out and go home.
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04-19-2015 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by denks
No, it's not OK. If you're broke and can't afford to lose the money the correct play is to rack your chips, cash out and go home.
There are times it's absolutely correct to take a -EV play for +EV liferoll. I don't recommend people put themselves in that position, but it's correct, nonetheless. A simple example would be when you are taking a shot at a higher limit and pass on marginal +EV situations, as the fluctuations could cripple you and bring you down to the stakes you came from or worse. Y'all and the "EV in a box" are funny. This is pretty standard stuff...
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04-19-2015 , 06:45 AM
This is not a marginal spot, AA has a massive EV edge. Recommending to fold here would be like recommending to fold top set on a semi-wet flop because someone might draw out on you.
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