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02-20-2015 , 01:57 AM

jack4you

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Bovada NL 10.

SB Hero: Q

$12.11
BB: $9.51
UTG: $6.23
UTG+1: $9.65
UTG+2: $5.30
UTG+3:$4.30
UTG+4:$7
dealer: $9.65

UTG: posts BB out of turn .10
UTG+1: posts BB out of turn .10

UTG: checks
UTG+1: raises to $.20
UTG+2: calls $.20
UTG+3: folds
UTG+4: calls $.20 total
dealer: folds
SB Hero: raises to $1.20
BB: folds
UTG: folds
UTG+1: calls $1
UTG+2: calls $1

Flop 4

SB Hero: bets $2
UTG+1: raises to $4
UTG+2: raises to $4.10 (all in)
SB Hero: folds

What do you think? Should I have called here or raised?

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02-20-2015 , 02:20 AM

DoTheMath

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Reads?

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02-20-2015 , 05:57 AM

tiltninja

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i almost had a heart attack when i saw u folded

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02-20-2015 , 05:59 AM

Kelvis

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UTG: posts BB out of turn .10
UTG+1: posts BB out of turn .10

There are your reads.

Get it in on the flop, don't fold.

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02-20-2015 , 07:00 AM

maverickf1

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Folded for $2 more?!?!?! Reasoning?

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02-20-2015 , 10:51 AM

jack4you

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Originally Posted by maverickf1

Folded for $2 more?!?!?! Reasoning?

Here is another question, when the second guy goes all in for .10 cents more does that give min raiser another opportunity to raise if I call?

Second, would you just shove in this spot?

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Originally Posted by DoTheMath

Reads?

No reads, Bovada is nearly anon.

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

There are your reads.

Get it in on the flop, don't fold.

What if I told you, that I did and I ran into AA?

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02-20-2015 , 10:57 AM

otatop

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Originally Posted by jack4you

Here is another question, when the second guy goes all in for .10 cents more does that give min raiser another opportunity to raise if I call?

No, but you should never be just calling here.

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Second, would you just shove in this spot?

100%

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What if I told you, that I did and I ran into AA?

Coolers happen, shrug it off.

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02-20-2015 , 11:13 AM

jack4you

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Originally Posted by otatop

No, but you should never be just calling here.100%
Coolers happen, shrug it off.

I have heard that when people minraise you it usually means they have the nuts, but maybe that is on the turn?

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02-20-2015 , 11:26 AM

otatop

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It can mean that, but you have to balance that information with the fact that villain bought in for a goofy amount and posted UTG+1, meaning they're terribad and can have hands much worse than the nuts most of the time.

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02-20-2015 , 11:42 AM

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jack4you

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Originally Posted by otatop

With AA or KK I totally would shove here, with QQ though you have to start wondering what would he call a big fat pre flop raise with and then min-raise you when you show aggression. Do you really think he has a small overpair enough times that shoving here is profitable? Or that he would ever fold a better hand to my shove? I would love to think shoving with QQ here is the right thing to do, to be honest I actually did do that, got snap called and UTG+1 did have AA UTG+2 was just ******ed though, he had 55. I wish UTG+1 was the one with only 5 dollars in their stack.

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02-20-2015 , 11:57 AM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by jack4you

Here is another question, when the second guy goes all in for .10 cents more does that give min raiser another opportunity to raise if I call?

Second, would you just shove in this spot?

No reads, Bovada is nearly anon.

What if I told you, that I did and I ran into AA?

Then I'd say "good job". If he flats AA preflop then so be it, he'll lose value a lot of the time postflop. A lot of fish will actually go broke here with 77+ or something because it's an overpair and you might have AK. Since it is completely readless you cannot assume he flats KK+ here and just fold. Also the stack to pot ratio is like 2,5 here so folding would be really sinful.

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02-20-2015 , 12:07 PM

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jack4you

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

You might be right, technically there are 7 hands we beat where they might think they are good 55-JJ.

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02-20-2015 , 01:28 PM

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Kurn, son of Mogh

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Ship it.

Both players posted OOP, therefore they are not very skilled.

OTF the short stack all in didn't 3-bet pre, his range is pretty wide, certainly can include 44/22, A4s, etc., but it also includes all other mid pocket pairs and flush draws, so you're ahead of his range.

Preflop raiser did not 4 bet you, so AA, KK much less likely and his minraise here is more likely 99-JJ as I'd suspect he'd flat AK most of the time. regardless, you're ahead of his range, too.

At this level, I'd expect someone who posts OOP to play for stacks with an over pair, so getting it in with dead money in the pot seems +EV.

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02-20-2015 , 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh

Both players posted OOP, therefore they are not very skilled.

I thought so too, but only one of the players that saw the flop posted (UTG+1), UTG+2 is just a doofy short stack clicking buttons.

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