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07-16-2010 , 10:41 AM
So I read about floating. And I was wondering if the play I made where, was somewhat near a float or not. Thanks

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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CO: $7.65
Hero (BTN): $10.97
SB: $5.02
BB: $4.93
UTG: $1.64
UTG+1: $3.34
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $2.92

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with Q J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.52) 3 2 4 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($0.72) T (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.45

River: ($1.92) 3 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $1.92
Hero mucks Q J
MP2 shows A K
MP2 wins $1.83
(Rake: $0.09)
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07-16-2010 , 11:00 AM
Hello Visticode,

Well this has traits of a float, I'm not 100% if it is considered one as MP2 has lead bet into you on the flop (perhaps someone else can support or deny this).

Since you have clearly have intentions to take the pot away on some turns, if MP2 had been the preflop raised, and you called in the BB I would be pretty confident in calling this a float.

That being said, I would also like to discuss the hand a bit. Firstly, you're probably tilted a bit because AKo is certainly a hand you were hoping your opponent could fold. But I understand his call, they feel they have two overcards and a gut shot (10 outs = 20%~ chance to win), and there is some implied odds too.

Furthermore, I think our opponent has good equity to call with a large range on this board, on the turn there are two flush draws, and 3 cards to a straight, so most random cards, (especially at micro/low stakes) will have something decent to draw to (thus will have the urge to call).

That being said, I don't hate your turn raise, but I would strongly urge you to follow up with a river barrel should you turn bet. You have increased fold equity because in the eyes of your opponent you have definitely played your hand strong, and not only will your opp. probably fold AK (probably...) but there are many draws that will have to give up now, and may probably consider folding a pair too (maybe even as good as a T or pocket pair under T).

+Note, i just want to add, although it might be obvious, that you should strongly consider balancing your range and play your good hands in a similar fashion as you did in this hand should that situation arise.

Personally, I would have folded to the flop donk, as this is a very drawing board, our opponent has donked into two players, and he's clearly not ready to fold in any hurry. Thus, we will most often have to call flop, raise turn, bet river to get reasonable fold equity, which is laying as more often than not a bad price on a bluff.

Hope that helps,
a1a2a3

EDIT: I'm overlooking the hand history again and it seems that his bet sizing is way under. I don't really consider this a float as you're getting good odds to hit your two overcards on the flop.

Last edited by a1a2a3; 07-16-2010 at 11:11 AM.
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07-16-2010 , 11:10 AM
Seems like Im still have alot to learn/read at his forum, but thanks for the reply.
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07-16-2010 , 12:04 PM
if you call a bet on the flop IP IF you missed the flop with the intention of taking the pot on the turn is a float. Older players tend to call the move 'CALLING TO BLUFF' which explains it a little clearer.

you were however in this pot the pre flop raiser and got donked into OTF so not sure if this is a true float in the sense of the move
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07-16-2010 , 03:29 PM
There's very little point in floating if you're just going to check behind once he gives up.
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07-16-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett
There's very little point in floating if you're just going to check behind once he gives up.
This. If you're floating turn then by god bet river when it checks to you.
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07-16-2010 , 05:41 PM
It's not really a very good place to float because it's multiway on a drawy board. When you're floating you're generally trying to either represent a monster hand you were slowplaying on the flop or a hand that hits on the turn. With three players on the flop the chance that someone actually is chasing a draw is that much higher. So, much more dangerous for you to try and use a scare card to bluff with when a draw comes in. And on such a wet flop, if you actually had flopped a set there's no way you're just calling so you can't really rep one later.

In addition, since you were the preflop raiser your flop play basically says you have overcards which missed (or maybe something else weak like a small overpair). That means the Ten might help you but it's not nearly the scare card that and Ace or King would be. If you were going to try to make a play for this pot, the flop is really the time to do it (and it's marginal given board texture and two players left to act).

And yeah, as everyone has said, if you're going to try to take it away on the turn, you have to be prepared to follow it up on the river.

Finally, you didn't post any reads whatsover. Not even PT type stats. Trying to make these kinds of plays readless is a very bad idea especially at microstakes where you're going to run into a lot of calling stations who aren't going to fold 77 (or AK).
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07-20-2010 , 03:44 AM
not worth floating this one
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visticode
So I read about floating. And I was wondering if the play I made where, was somewhat near a float or not. Thanks

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $7.65
Hero (BTN): $10.97
SB: $5.02
BB: $4.93
UTG: $1.64
UTG+1: $3.34
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $2.92

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with Q J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.52) 3 2 4 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($0.72) T (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, MP2 calls $0.45

River: ($1.92) 3 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $1.92
Hero mucks Q J
MP2 shows A K
MP2 wins $1.83
(Rake: $0.09)
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