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10-29-2010 , 10:51 AM
This seems to be reoccurring theme for me and I am not sure how to overcome it other than folding to anyone who bets into me. Stakes are NL5 and NL10. I have many hand histories but they all follow this same general theme.

When I use fish below I mean folks that I have seen get a large amount of BB in the pot with crappy draws and middle pairs, sometimes shove with those or TPWK. The table nits and regs I usually have om problem folding to when they start repping something and I do not have the nuts or near nuts.

typical cases that capture the essence of my problem:
1) fish limps in from early position. I have QQ+ and 3-bet 4x, fish calls. Board is dry and pretty ragged (7 J 2) on the flop. Fish checks I put in 3/4 ish pot raise fish calls. Turn is a 4 fish bets 3/4 ish pot I call or sometimes raise and fish calls or shoves. Either way the money gets in and the river blanks but fish shows up with J4o.

2) I am on the button or cutoff and QQ+ one limper I raise 4x, fish in SB 3-bets 3-4x and I flat. Flop is something like 8 2 2. Fish checks, I raise 3/4 ish pot fish calls. Turn improves my hand i.e. hit TPTK when holding AK. Fish bets I raise. We get the money in and fish flips up something like T2s.


3) fish limps in UTG, MP raises, BTN call, I have AA in the BB and 4-bet a little bigger than the pot. All fold except the fish. Flop is A 4 9 r. I bet out 3/4 ish pot fish calls. Turn is 4 giving me a FH. I check and fish pots it. I raise about 3x fish calls. River is 9 and fish shoves. I call and fish shows A9 for a bigger FH.


Me in my agitated mood PTRs the fishies and they are spewing large amounts of money but somehow seem to stack me left and right with garbage hands. I understand that suckouts happen but what agitates me is that lately no matter how light I see the guys stack off, when I have a big hand they always have the nuts and usually get it by playing total crap pre flop.


Normally this would not agitate me so much but the past several weeks I have been losing a significant number of stacks this way. It just feels that I am taking myself to value town.

I am sure others have faced this so if there is any advice on how to get past it please pass it along.

Thanks
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10-29-2010 , 10:53 AM
Don't go broke with TP or an overpair.
Stop betting when you face resistance.
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10-29-2010 , 02:33 PM
Example 3 you would win btw ...

Its difficult sometimes with these guys. They can flop a big hand just like anyone, and because their opening range is almost ATC they can flop/turn a monster with unlikely holdings that you would never play.

It's hard to flop 2pr+ though, so if you have TPTK type hand bet it for value until they play back at you.

There is also a selective memory element to this. Against 1 particular fish you may get sucked out on / coolered several times. You remember this guy. Do you remember the guy who called you down to the river on J633T board because he had Q6, lost his stack to your KK then left the table and you never saw again ?
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10-29-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Burtakus
3) fish limps in UTG, MP raises, BTN call, I have AA in the BB and 4-bet a little bigger than the pot. All fold except the fish. Flop is A 4 9 r. I bet out 3/4 ish pot fish calls. Turn is 4 giving me a FH. I check and fish pots it. I raise about 3x fish calls. River is 9 and fish shoves. I call and fish shows A9 for a bigger FH.
You have this one wrong. Fish has 9's full of Aces (999AA), you have Aces full of 9's (AAA99), you win this pot.

But I digress, it doesn't matter.

From my experience, when a passive (and I mean the 60/2 kind) fish wakes up, he's not trying to bluff you, he most likely has a hand.

This playstyle of theirs may win a few pots here and there but is a losing style. Play pots with him, let him waste his money chasing draws or calling with second pair, and stack him when you're clearly ahead of him. I know it's frustrating, but it's not hard to play against them. Take them to value town.
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10-30-2010 , 01:24 AM
When that starts to happen, I usually try and take a break for a few weeks. I always comeback refreshed and definitely more focused. When you start getting frustrated you start to lose your patience and then it seems like a never ending line of bad beats. Of course I think im way too tight of a player and struggle with variance.
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