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02-09-2011 , 01:47 PM
Hey everyone!

First time poster, long time lurker here!

Little introduction coming up, feel free to skip it, I even made it italic so you wouldnt feel bad for skipping !

I consider myself a 'beginner' poker player even though I've been playing poker all my life , online hold em for the last four years, but I've never played it "seriously".

My non existent strategy so far has been: deposit a couple hundred dollars, have fun at way too high tables , possibly even win some, cash everything out after a couple of nights.

I know this is a stupid way to approach poker but I havent been thinking of poker as a possible future career / long time hobby until now, just a fun past time.
For a few months I've been studying poker books, websites and videos intensively.

(Actually I got my first poker books a couple years back on christmas, they are finnish so I doubt you'll get much use out of their names, but ive read them from cover to cover many times and they covered the basics pretty well )





So, let's get to the subject. (If you read above about me donking around please try to not think of me as a complete donk when you read forward, I'm really trying to change! )

I think im playing pretty decent poker, I also realize every poker player, especially the bad ones, think like this.
I have a very nitty bankroll of 600$ to 10nl holdem since I have a tendency of tilting which i've fixed with this ( when I played with close to 300$ I would constantly monitor my account balance , as in almost after every hand, which is not healthy imo )
[I usually play 4-8 multitables of nl10 full rings]

I grind for hours and have a slow but steady income, but because of my all ins I lose far more than I make


I know this is only above 9k hands (it doesnt show the limit games though, I have the micro stakes version of pokertracker)
(I played ~30k hands on full tilt before this and I had a similiar problem there, still managing to keep my balance pretty much still, I'd blow all my winnings on all ins backfiring on me and would have to grind back, rince repeat)

I'd like to know if im doing something horribly wrong going all in this often.



Poker has always been a part of my life and now that im a bit more of a mature person I really want my poker to 'grow up' too.
I really really want to get better, I dont care how long it takes.




These are my last sessions worst hands, should I not have gone all in with these hands? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that KK goes up against AA once every 20th time, I could be wrong though, well it happened to me every time I got KK on this session (three times), I know this is just variance but im afraid ill get traumatized and become afraid of high pocket pairs, as silly as it sounds

(the 56 hand might need a bit of explaining so i'll post its hand history too)



^ My main problem so please if you dont care of the rest atleast have a peek at this

(also im actually pretty much +-0, not down 170 dollars, almost all my profited sessions are from 0.5/1 limit holdem, which is sad because i hate it)

Here's the 5,6

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $21.79
BB: $10.51
UTG: $5.27
UTG+1: $26.32
MP: $15.57
CO: $12.12
Hero (BTN): $10.76

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 6

UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1.10, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 7 J 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.60, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises to $4.11, Hero calls $2.91

River: ($11.82, 2 players) 8
SB bets $7.30, Hero calls $4.95 and is all-in

SB shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (PreFlop 77%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 5 6 (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives) (PreFlop 23%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $20.67


^ I know this was a bad play from me, I shouldnt have even played the hand to begin with but I was still a bit tilty (if you check the sessions 'worst hands' I had lost with KK the third time just five minutes ago) and really felt like trying my luck against this guy. (I know a good poker player should never use the L word)

I was definite he had a pocket pair though, just didnt see JJ coming!





Should I just continue playing 0.5/1 limit. I dont win alot but I dont lose huge either. Or should I just practise more no limit poker and profit more in the future when I know what im doing? I definitely have more passion for no limit and my limit play is more 'automated'. I tend to surf the web on my other monitor when I play limit, which is a bad thing.

Sorry for all the questions, I tend to ramble when im nervous and this is my first post!

If you made it this far without cheating I humbly thank you for your patience. Here's a golden star!

Let us gogogogo!
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02-09-2011 , 04:53 PM
1. Don't call a 11bb 3bet raise with a ****** hand
2. Cbet is standard but calling that check raise there is pretty bad.

You know what you did wrong, so don't do it next time.
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02-11-2011 , 02:32 AM
Interesting read, not sure what to tell you. You seem to know how to play, so just don't tilt and play a lot of hands. Maybe crush 2nl or 5nl then go to 10nl?

With the KK all-in's I would have to see the hand to give an opinion. If the player was really tight or a reg or you thought he was good you might have been able to get away from it, especially if there were multiple reraises.

The 56 was bad. Don't do that.

GL dude
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02-11-2011 , 02:54 AM
In the hand, when you hit 2-pair, its hard to get away from the hand when he could easily have JJ, QQ, KK or AA and you are ahead of 3 of those hands. Especially when he thinks you are tilting if you just lost KK earlier (the trick is to NOT tilt but let your opponents think you are). I recommend playing less tables and maybe lower stakes like 2nl and 5nl until you can control tilt from losing all-ins with KK/AA etc. Remember that these hands are only one pair and if you get a lot of aggression from a player post-flop that you can lay them down. Ideally you want to get 3-bet preflop and raise them all-in.
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02-11-2011 , 05:25 AM
I have done the same; I find myself prone to tilting as well, which at the microstakes isnt too much of a problem.

But as the people above have said, you know better now, so keep tight control of your bank roll, dont get rattled by missed chances and play the percentages
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02-11-2011 , 07:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $21.79
BB: $10.51
UTG: $5.27
UTG+1: $26.32
MP: $15.57
CO: $12.12
Hero (BTN): $10.76

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 6

UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1.10, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 7 J 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.60, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises to $4.11, Hero calls $2.91

River: ($11.82, 2 players) 8
SB bets $7.30, Hero calls $4.95 and is all-in

SB shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (PreFlop 77%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 5 6 (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives) (PreFlop 23%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $20.67
I am going to be honest, because I think this is what you are looking for. You didn't play this hand well at all.

Preflop, fold to his 3bet. Fold this hand to 3bets ALWAYS. For now (until you get much much better in the game), the only time you may consider calling a 3bet with 56s or similar hands is when effective stacks are very deep, and you have position, and you know you have a big skill edge versus the villain (all of the above conditions should be met to even start thinking about calling there).

I am not gonna make detailed comments on the later streets (because you posted the results), except that you should know by the river that you are beat, and that your bet sizing throughout the hand is not good. Maybe it's your limit holdem influence. Don't bet so small in NL. Betting 1/4 pot on the flop screams "I am a fish". Search this forum for some stickies and threads on bet sizing and read them. Your bet sizes should usually be at least half pot, whether you are betting for value or bluffing. I am not saying very small bets are always bad, but spots for them arise very very rarely and usually on the river.
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