Down to the last 3 players in a Full Tilt 180 tourney.

Blinds have just gone to 4000/8000.
Big stack is on 250k in BB and has gone into push-fold mode.
I'm on 50k and SB is 40k. We have both been making 3x raises at the 3k/6k level or folding. I'm dealt A8o on the button. Should I continue with another 3x raises or do I push this? I'm 99% certain folding is wrong here but does pushing indicate weakness? a 3x raise is half my stack so it would be hard to let go if I'm reraised.

Advice please?

It's shove or fold time. With that it's shove.

Should have been pushing a lot earlier; this hand is an easy push

Get SNG Wiz

No. Shove EVERY hand you enter the pot with. You have less than 10BB, you should NEVER raise normal with such a short stack.

Let's pretend you never said that. Never ever ever contemplate folding. If you raised 32o and got reraised you'd call. K? K!

Yes. To be honest at the stage you are now it's probably shove ATC.

+1,000,000

Ok, so let me get this straight. Should I be shoving here?

no b/c you don't like money

I have a lot to learn before I ever start raising with 32o

No, shove not raise

Its not that hard, 10BBs and under shove ATCs (yes even 32o and 72o; 32o is worse ) and don't be results oriented

I start shoving at ~13BBs

Thanks for the answers. There were two reasons for posting this question. One was I wanted to hear people's thinking behind the play and the other was because I'm still a bit results-oriented on the outcomes of these decisions.

In the example above I did shove, obviously, and the big stack turned over AK .

Played an STT today and got a bit closer to shoving ATC when down to the final 3 players (I still have issues with it though so J4o was as low as I went). Anyway, I was the big stack heads up at the end and came up against someone tighter than me and once I realised that the final four hands were shove x 4. He folded 3 times and was dominated on the final hand. A small bit of progress for me

I don't know how much the stacks have changed since then, but you should have been shoving 75% of hands on the BTN in the last one or even two blind levels.

Once you get to this stage of a tournament any ace is shoveable, as the blinds represent a large portion of your stack.

two blind levels before there were still 6 or 7 players at the table so the dynamics were different

Okay, I think I've reached a milestone in my poker development - calling an all in from a short stack OTB with 32s in the BB

Of course I lost the hand but I feel like it's a step in the right direction.

post HH

You're going to say I was wrong now, aren't you?


(4 Places paid)
100.00/200.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:04:00 PM

SB (1516.00)
Hero (3364.00)
UTG (5475.00)
CO (3975.00)
Villain (670.00)

SB 100.00
Hero BB 200.00

Hero [3, 2]
2 folds
Villain All-in 670.00
Hero Call 670.00

Calling 470 to win 1170 means you need better than 29% equity to be neutral cEV. 32s has around 33% equity vs. any sensible shoving range. Even against top 10% you have 31% equity.

As far as ICM goes you need an edge beyond "marginally +cEV". Calling nets you about +0.4BB.

Verdict: Borderline, calling is okay.