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12-19-2011 , 09:31 PM
So I've been playing 10-person NLHE ring games on PS and after reading Harrington on Hold'em vol.1, a couple noob books from my local book shop, and 50% through Sklanksy's guide to microstakes, I realised I've been playing with this basic strategy:

UTG: Open Raise with 77+ ATs+ KQS+
Never open limp

EP: Open/raise with 88+ ATs+ KQS+
Limp unraised pots with 78s+
In raised pots, limp 77+ ATs+ KQS+ with 4 callers
Re-raise QQ,KK,AA & AK

MP: Open/raise with 66+ ATs+ KQS+
Limp unraised pots with 78s+
In raised pots, limp 77+ ATs+ KQS+ with 4 callers
Re-raise QQ,KK,AA & AK

LP:Open/raise with 44+ A7s+ K8S+
Limp unraised pots with 78s+
In raised pots, limp 66+ ATs+ KQS+ with 4 callers
Re-raise QQ,KK,AA & AK

SB/BB: Raise with TT+ AJs+ AQo+
Check unraised pots with 78s+
In raised pots, limp 88+ ATo+ KQo+ with 4 callers
Re-raise QQ, KK, AA & AK

What do you think, is it solid, weak, any big leaks?
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12-19-2011 , 10:21 PM
it's ******ed

there's no static ranges in poker
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12-19-2011 , 10:41 PM
You can't limp in raised pots...
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12-19-2011 , 10:48 PM
I think it would have benefited from a better explanation:

I know it's not Blackjack and that a static strategy is basically a bad idea, I guess my question is; Are these *rough* hand ranges good for a 0.5/.1 NLHE 10-person ring game?

I am not yet experienced enough to have reads on people and whatnot, I just need to know if this is a good foundation to build up from.

My mistake on the "limp" - I meant call.
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12-19-2011 , 11:00 PM
Yeah I think its a solid starting range for a beginner.

I'm relative new at Poker but one thing I have noticed which you don't address is stack sizes, which have a large bearing on starting hands and ways to play various situations.

I think stack sizes may be more important for tournement play rather than ring games where everyone tops up anyway

Last edited by Madsaac; 12-19-2011 at 11:06 PM.
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12-19-2011 , 11:03 PM
It seems productive to break down your play in this way and determine what you do with particular hands and decide whether or not its optimal.

The problem with this, even from a "rough" perspective, is that it will tend to push you towards playing a system rather than playing the situation. You'll see 97s in LP and say "I fold this hand in LP", but if you fold this every time then you will come across situations that it is very profitable to raise.

I know you'll rebut that this is just "rough", or as a "guideline", but regardless this type of mindset will prevent you from truly excelling at this game.
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12-19-2011 , 11:32 PM
Not going to rebut it at all, I want to get to the stage where I am playing the villain's and not just playing a system. Just recently it seems my plays against villains when I deviate, seem to put me in the ****. I don't know what it is about the micros (or poker in general?) but I have seen so many people who flopped the nuts, check/check/check it to the river (when I have zip) and then call my 40% pot bet on the river, when I have middle pair on a dry board.

I know I have a lot to learn...
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12-20-2011 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueLagoon32
So I've been playing 10-person NLHE ring games on PS
I thought you only have 10 seats in certain NLHE MTTs on Stars. Full ring has 9 seats on Stars, unless I've somehow filtered out a huge number of tables in the lobby. :/
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What do you think, is it solid, weak, any big leaks?
It's a decent starting hand chart for sites that aren't called Pokerstars.
If you followed your chart literally, you'd often be the loosest player on the table on Stars. You simply can't open limp and get away with it for a start, and you'll have a lot of trouble making money with suited connectors in middle position, partly because of the all the 80c short stack parasites that destroy both your implied odds and even the chance to get to the river without being all in.
I'm not exactly crushing on Stars, and haven't had enough time recently to practice what I'm about to preach, but the optimum pre-flop strategy on Pokerstars seems to be one that results in a VPIP of 11%, a PFR of 7% and a 3-bet of 3%. That's really tight, in case you didn't know it. You basically only want to be playing big (suited) Broadways and pocket pairs, and you should be folding a lot of hands like AJ, ATs and KJs if a tight player opens in front of you. The easiest way to lose money on Pokerstars is to play dominated hands. Almost every time you call with AJ, your heads-up villain will have AQ or AK and he'll take you to value town.
A lot of the profitable grinders on Stars are actually quite passive, according to my HEM stats and my experience. There are a lot of "trappers". I lost several buy-ins initially by not recognising when villains had a set. They would just flat call my c-bets on flop and turn, and then crucify me by shoving on safe rivers. They also slow-play made flushes very often. Watch out for the guys that raise the flop with a flush draw, then check behind when they hit it on the turn. They always jam the river and I always (used to) pay them off with top pair.

On looser/fishier sites, you can be a lot looser and more aggressive pre-flop than you would be on Stars. Calling (or even raising) with potentially dominated hands can actually be profitable. On 888, for example, I'm often raising hands like KJ or JTs in middle position, because there are plenty of players with VPIPs of over 50%. Just about everything the OP included in his hand chart is comfortably ahead of the droolers that limp/call with total junk, and once you've learned some post-flop skills, it's pretty easy to take money away from the fish.
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12-20-2011 , 10:46 AM
Your open-limp range is horribly unbalanced and will get destroyed by anyone that realizes that you always have a med suited connector in that spot. Either cut it out entirely or diversify it.
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12-20-2011 , 04:05 PM
ArtySmokes and Paul Valente, your advice is appreciated.

Arty, what you said about dominated hands rang very true for me; I lost big twice last night with AJs and AJo. I think I was up against AQs and AKo both times.
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12-21-2011 , 01:59 AM
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it's ******ed

there's no static ranges in poker
ban, imo. This type of response doesn't belong in the beginner's forum.

Moving on.

I'll expand on this comment though for you. What he is saying is that the hands you play will adjust as you become more experienced as you learn all the various factors to consider such as your opponent, their range, stack sizes, game dynamics and history, position, relative position, and your image.

That being said, I believe there is no harm in starting with a hand-chart to get some sort of foundation for you to stand on. One of the biggest leaks players have when they are first learning poker is that they play too loosely.

A good hand chart can you get you going.

Instead of trying to construct your own chart (not that it is terrible), I recommend you use the search feature. There is plenty of coverage in the COTW's and various stickies that will let you figure out the ranges that best make sense for you given your current skill level (which based on your subsequent posts, is still fairly new).

I'd recommend leaning towards tighter ranges and play in the smallest games that you can beat.

Then, as your hand/player reading and decision making improves, you'll find that you can start to expand your range because the math and psychology begins to make sense. You'll be able to get away from weaker hands at the right times because you can accurately assess your opponent's range for his bets/raises. You'll be able to make lighter calls because you can determine the nuts/air ratio of your opponents range when he donk shoves the river.

Until then, you'll need to lean on solid strong starting hands. Play tightly; play especially tightly in the blinds.

There is a really good post (that I'm not going to dig up) that talks about the evolution of a poker player (in fact it might be exactly called that). In short, it says you will start out loose/passive, become tight-agressive, become loose-aggressive, and finally, you will simply become whatever is necessary for the game you are playing because you will have accumulated the necessary skills to adjust in real-time to the game conditions.
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12-21-2011 , 03:29 AM
I understand people think having ranges for position is detrimental. but for a first time player. I feel at least giving a new player(a brand new player) a range for UTG positions. it could be beneficial.
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12-21-2011 , 04:59 AM
Consider me a brand new player, thanks for all your advice, peeps.
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