@BB 3b QJo seems really really thin even hu
@arty don't they reset after a month?

no its totally standard I open 90%+ if I'm mring and call ~50% depending on their 3bet%

most people 3bet ~20% HU so me calling 45% of my range with position is fine as well as them 3! with qjo for value

I had been waiting all night to get in on a hand like this with this maniac. He was 56/41/28 over 88 hands. Standard?

On average it takes 1,143 hands per step, so 3,429 overall. It's definitely the least popular Challenge though, I'll kill it for next quarter (Apr/May/Jun).

Every quarter. You can discard one per month though (red cross in the top right).

Standard. You have to go with your reads.

Thanks for the info, Andrew. With my low volume it will take a few weeks, but the minor challenges mean I'm usually getting points in other ways. The challenges in general are a great idea.

^^This, just wish they were a bit more bad-strat oriented (i.e. raise preflop with 32o).

Well, balls

4b sizing is very good, wp

I'm late a bit, but why you are donking in this hand? Why it's your standart play? I would just x/c and also call OTT but thats bad, I just always can't believe that villain has something.

call OTT?
I played short because i have small roll on ipoker and actually managed to find good talbes

iPoker - £1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: £39.50 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): £43.70
SB: £100.00 (VPIP: 28.44, PFR: 24.77, 3Bet Preflop: 23.68, Hands: 112)
BB: £50.00 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: £39.46 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB £0.50, BB posts BB £1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: £1.50) Hero has J Q

fold, CO calls £1.00, Hero raises to £4.00, fold, BB calls £3.00, CO calls £3.00

Flop: (£12.50, 3 players) J 9 T
BB bets £6.25, CO calls £6.25, Hero calls £6.25

Turn: (£31.25, 3 players) 6
BB bets £15.62, CO raises to £29.25, fold, BB calls £13.63

River: (£89.75, 2 players) 4

looks an easy fold to me

So disgusting, but nothing you can do I guess

iPoker - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €246.22 (VPIP: 41.51, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
SB: €100.00 (VPIP: 29.13, PFR: 21.36, 3Bet Preflop: 11.36, Hands: 105)
Hero (BB): €94.80
UTG: €90.30 (VPIP: 31.35, PFR: 20.82, 3Bet Preflop: 6.40, Hands: 454)
MP: €101.40 (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 13.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
CO: €40.55 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB €0.50, Hero posts BB €1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €1.50) Hero has K A

UTG raises to €3.50, fold, fold, BTN calls €3.50, fold, Hero raises to €13.00, fold, BTN calls €9.50

Flop: (€30.00, 2 players) K 8 7
Hero bets €20.00, BTN calls €20.00

Turn: (€70.00, 2 players) 9
Hero bets €61.80, BTN calls €61.80

River: (€193.60, 2 players) T

A fun hand today, river is pretty spazz from me : - D

200nl shot over

Was this an ok line for me to take? Only had a dozen hands on villain, but he was like 44/40 with a couple of 3bets in already which is what prompted me to call down.

Same for me. Lost ~900€ today and should have lost more. Bunch of coolers but also some creative play. Played some big hands non-optimally.
The feeling after a big losing day is really the worst.

Anyone got any ideas how to counter an annoying overbettor? Seems to do it all the time on wet boards but the only time I'd got an answer to it was when I turned a set after checking back flop and rivered quads, and took great pleasure slowrolling the dickhead for his stack. The guy pisses me off so much. An example hand might be something like...I raise on the BTN with something like 99, he calls in the BB, flop comes QJ2 with a flush draw, he checks, I check back (cos we're drawing to 2 outs when behind and he's never going to flop a queen or jack to a single barrel), then either the third flush card or a straight card hits OTT and he comes out betting 4x pot.

I know he's not just a complete tard who does this randomly because he only does it in spots like that (i.e. when it's hard for you to have a flush/straight as you'd cbet those types of draws, and you don't have a set either cos you're going to cbet that wet board to charge any draw he may have). Like I say, the only time I've managed to screw this guy was when I binked my set OTT and quaded up OTR so could call 2 overbets.

Like yeah I could start checking back some draws, but the thing is your draw won't normally hit OTT then you'll be forced to fold to his ridiculous size bet. I could check back some sets in the spot too but a lot of times the board is going to get ugly. What to do?

if he's overbetting only when straight/flush comes, you can check your draws, or shove over his overbet with decent draw on the turn.

But if I check a draw (i.e. let's say on the above board, I check KTo or the nut flush draw), he's still overbetting even on a blank card, which means I'd have to fold my draw most of the time as 4/5 times you're not going to hit.

And I could check made hands like QQ, JJ etc but there's a lot of cards that I'm not liking on the turn. It's especially annoying when the board is something like 678 monotone, because you're never going to check a set/2 pair on that board since there's 10 flush cards and 6 more straight cards you're not going to like, and in the case of something like 78 you're not exactly thrilled to see a 6 or a face card either. And it's not like you like a 4 or a T either. So essentially whenever you check you're saying to the guy 'hey just make a big bet here and I'm folding 100%'. Even if you flopped the nut flush...fourth cards of the same suit kill action, so you're normally going to want to get value.

The guy really pisses me off and if it wasn't for me sunrunning him a couple of times after tilt shoving a couple of stacks in bad places, I might have launched my monitor out of the window. Justice prevailed thankfully but it won't be like that all the time and I'm totally lost of how to counter this ****** who is ruining the game.

That's actually decent strat on his part. Consider your range and defend an appropriate %. Make sure he has bluffs first though.

It might be decent strat but it completely ruins the game and makes me wish you could punch someone through the internet.

Thing is how can you defend an appropriate percentage since I'm never going to check a monotone board or a 2 flush with straight possibilities board with hands that are actually decent - since so often a card will hit on turn or river that makes my hand 'less decent'. But checking draws sucks too since you won't often hit the turn then you'll have to fold to his ******ed dickhead move of betting 4x pot.

I mean, take a board like T96 with 2 spades. If I check AJss or whatever, that sucks, since most often OTT I won't hit anything. But checking TT is crap too, since I hate any 7, and 8 and I'm not a huge fan of a jack or any spade either. Like, the best hand I'm checking on that board is probably something like pair+ flush draw (so I don't waste SDV of the pair). But if the flush draw misses it blows to call a 4x pot bet with a pair of 6's and then another LOL****** bet OTR.

Seems like he is just owning you and you have no idea how to respond to overbets, making his play very good.


If he is super valueheavy with overbets, just fistbump yourself by letting the opponent give us EZ decisions. If he bluffs somewhat balanced (which I doubt), we need to start xb:ing some hands to protect us against overbets + feel some medium strength hands against the overbets. EG xb FD's with SD-value like AKs or AQs.

Yeah, definitely sounds like he's just better than you (though I'd question that if you're serious that he's 4x potting).

Thankfully I managed to sunrun him twice for a full stack after getting it in behind - so there is still some justice in the world. But I need a more long term strategy for dealing with this loser. He's ruining my evenings entertainment.

I'm not really interested in whether his play is good or not, or whether he's better than me, since there's always going to be someone in the poker world better...but how do I make it so it's -EV for him and he'll stop doing it? The problem, as I've said above - checking draws sucks since you often miss, but checking big hands sucks too since often a card comes that makes you not like your hand so much even if he doesn't have specifically what he's repping (i.e. are we really happy calling down with a set on a 4 straight board? Hell no).