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02-19-2012 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by enprinte
Lol Hyperturbos:
I hear roulette is beatable too
02-19-2012 , 05:45 AM
Lost 2 buy ins earlier today. Was absolutely crushed by a goldstar on my table. Looked him up and he destroys NL2 having put in 300k hands...

He would destroy all my steal attempts, flat call my raises and post flop the **** out of me...
02-19-2012 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kralex
He would destroy all my steal attempts, flat call my raises and post flop the **** out of me...
I think this is where my turnaround came in. If they want to play preflop let em. I have AKs with nothing in the pot and they smack 100bb in fold.I can pwn post flop on another hand they get invested in. Especially if i have over 100 hands on you and your stats scream Itovpip i dont topfr and i make calling stations look like TAGs. (not your stats Kralex. i meant villain in general )
02-19-2012 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kralex
Lost 2 buy ins earlier today. Was absolutely crushed by a goldstar on my table. Looked him up and he destroys NL2 having put in 300k hands...

He would destroy all my steal attempts, flat call my raises and post flop the **** out of me...
How long did you stay there for?

No need to stay on a table with a crushing goldstar at 2nl, literally PLENTY more fish in the sea!
02-19-2012 , 07:33 AM
I had a decent start to the day too. won a bunch of 20-40bb pots. Unfortunately I managed to get 250BB all in with a ridicufish holding AT on a T92r board when he showed up with JJ. Wouldnt have minded cause his money was surely coming my way in the end - but he left Still! I played well and thats all that matters.
02-19-2012 , 07:37 AM
I'm up 3 BIs today in two hr long sessions. Like Mike, really clear head today, letting the aggro fish value themselves and made some cool hero calls too. Even been pwning the regs :-)

Bring on the fish!
02-19-2012 , 07:40 AM
Forgot how different playing qualifiers is to mah usual go for gold MTT strat. Decided i was going to play the Sunday storm. Saw there was a qualifier for $2.20. I figured it was wise Bankroll management to be as tight as a Scottsman fighting over a penny. $2.20 = $11 ticket.

Now lets make it count in the storm...
02-19-2012 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by orangepeeleo
How long did you stay there for?

No need to stay on a table with a crushing goldstar at 2nl, literally PLENTY more fish in the sea!
long enough to lose a buy in to him

But thats okay:



As long as I don't tilt everything will be okay

Love turning around sessions. It sucks but I'm noticing a trend that I play better at night than in the day...
02-19-2012 , 09:02 AM
Finished the session:



Pretty happy with myself

If I stick to cash games and I keep running like this I should be able to reach NL4 by the end of the month ($100 roll). I think I'm only going to take a 2 buy in shot at NL4 when I get there otherwise I won't feel to comfortable.

I'll post any interesting hands later and maybe we can discuss them.
02-19-2012 , 09:04 AM
^^wp sir!
02-19-2012 , 10:24 AM
02-19-2012 , 10:32 AM
why check turn?
02-19-2012 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chad0x00
why check turn?
This. Also, why do you just minraise the river - do you think he calls a 0.22 raise but folds if you raise by 0.44 or 0.60 ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralex
Thanks

Just a standard cooler. I actually didn't put him on a Q the whole time which is weird.

edit:

The river betting is HILARIOUS!
Why can't he have a queen ? What range do you think he has to c/c the flop there ?

By not betting the turn are you keeping in any hands that you beat that would call a river bet that would fold the turn ? Do you think villain may call on the turn with a flush draw, then fold the river ?
02-19-2012 , 10:53 AM
Pre I don't put him on any particular range. He called from BB so a wide range of hands.

Flop I put him on a King, only because I have a Queen. I can't honestly tell you why I checked the turn, I already thought that hand wouldn't have proceeded past the flop. My only reason would probably be that I could easily rep having the King only (A/K) and induce a bluff.

The river min-raise is because of history. He had min-raised my c-bet and pre-flop bets quite a few times but also yes, I do think he calls a min-raise with a King but folds if I raise by .44 or .60.

The attitude I've seen by a lot of players at NL2 is "its cheap and I've already put in .xx into the pot. call"
02-19-2012 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Kralex
Pre I don't put him on any particular range. He called from BB so a wide range of hands.

Flop I put him on a King, only because I have a Queen. I can't honestly tell you why I checked the turn, I already thought that hand wouldn't have proceeded past the flop. My only reason would probably be that I could easily rep having the King only (A/K) and induce a bluff.
What else can he call the flop with there ?

Flush draws ?
AJ, JT ?
TT ? On a paired board do you think he might call with any pocket pair ?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralex
The river min-raise is because of history. He had min-raised my c-bet and pre-flop bets quite a few times but also yes, I do think he calls a min-raise with a King but folds if I raise by .44 or .60.

The attitude I've seen by a lot of players at NL2 is "its cheap and I've already put in .xx into the pot. call"

So when he min 3bets, you min4bet. Do you think he ever folds now if you 4bet shove ? Do you think he might just call your min 4bet rather than stacking off ?
02-19-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
What else can he call the flop with there ?

Flush draws ?
AJ, JT ?
TT ? On a paired board do you think he might call with any pocket pair ?

So when he min 3bets, you min4bet. Do you think he ever folds now if you 4bet shove ? Do you think he might just call your min 4bet rather than stacking off ?
K/8+
88+ Do think he might call on a paired board with a pocket pair.

The river betting was definitely not done properly. I can assure you I don't normally play like that. I just played the river based on a bit of history which is ultimately, as you're suggesting, a bad idea as he might just call my min4bet rather than stacking off with QT which is a whole bunch of value that I've just missed.

Spoiler:
I just got it mid way through posting. Basically -EV if I play like this on river even if I am doing it based on history/joking around right?
02-19-2012 , 11:45 AM
I think we'll call today a good day!

So much easier when u play chilled out, rather than playing small sessions after work when tired, that and it's fishday sunday!

Large down-blip is aggro fish stacking me with a random hand on the river (grrr!), large up-blip is me stacking him right back

02-19-2012 , 11:59 AM
.....also guys, been thinking of writing a kinda checklist of straightforward do's and dont's for beginners on micro NLHE, and posting it here in BQ. Then people can add their thoughts ideas to it.

I know there are loads of threads explaining how to play, but was thinking when I first started it would have been great to just have an easy checklist to try and remember, you know a kinda 'top ten' type thing.

Thinking it will include points like:
1. Don't minraise
2. Don't minraise
3. Dont slowplay
4. Don't open limp
4. Do valuebet your good made hands
5. Do bet/raise if your draw hit

etc, etc.

What do you guys think? Would that be useful or just going over old ground?

Just thought it could be a handy reminder all in one place rather than endless searching through long threads which can be kinda daunting for newbies. Obviously would be looking for your guys help with suggestions etc.

Thx
02-19-2012 , 12:23 PM
here is how to get value from nuts at 5nl guy wwas 84/7 over 112 hands.


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11916662

    BTN: $5 (100 bb)
    SB: $1.95 (39 bb)
    BB: $4.85 (97 bb)
    UTG: $5.84 (116.8 bb)
    Hero (MP): $20.92 (418.4 bb)
    CO: $2.36 (47.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A Q
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.32) K (2 players)
    BB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15

    River: ($0.62) T (2 players)
    BB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $20.62 and is all-in, BB calls $4.20

    Spoiler:
    Results: $9.72 pot ($0.40 rake)
    Final Board: 6 J 7 K T
    BB mucked K 7 and lost (-$4.85 net)
    Hero showed A Q and won $9.32 ($4.47 net)



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    never fold with a draw to the nuts.
    02-19-2012 , 12:26 PM
    So im getting used to turbo qualifiers. (Still hate turbo structure though)

    Played a $1 63 person for a ticket to Red spade open. only one ticket for the winner came in 3rd my AA cracked by J5 sooooooted. (Yes he called off to the shove like i wanted with him only just covering me and he hit 2 pair.)

    Jumped into a .50 rebuy to the red spade. I did the usual instant rebuy for stack power. Didnt have to rebuy again just added on. Decent stack mid field but blinds eating away after addon period closed... Button shoves im in the SB with AK i call BB calls. Typical no one believes the button has a hand to shove the BB doesnt think either of us have anything. Button KJ BB has KQ im thinking weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee domination. flop J. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

    Oh well its all practice i just wish there were more decent structure qualifiers for micro buy in. I mean Stars is basically saying to people that unless you buy in for over $10 for a qualifier all you are having is turbo and hyper turbo donkfests. Here's hoping ill be moving out of the micro qualifiers in the next week or so.
    02-19-2012 , 12:35 PM
    isn't that sort of standard for tournies though when you take into account how many bb you have left, and they're cheap games your going to get all types
    02-19-2012 , 12:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mortein
    isn't that sort of standard for tournies though when you take into account how many bb you have left
    Very standard with the M value that the three of us were in and even more so in the positions we were in. Just funny that most of the tourney hands like A4o and K8s were allin fests and then 3 people shove with reasonable hands it was funny. Point is the turbo structure places the pressure earlier. I dont mind it as such as i have adjusted to it. But i would like to see players be able to choose the structure of qualifier they prefer to play rather than being forced into turbos. The hand above would have played the same regardless of structure played but that wasnt the point of the post. Was just amusing to see a real self playing hand rather than random bingo all ins in a turbo.
    02-19-2012 , 12:42 PM
    Was planning a long grind today but far too tilted to continue:



    First 3 hands of the same table I flop a set vs AA. First time the guy wasn't bought in full, hand held up. 2nd time guy has 120BB and he spikes an A - I didn't tilt and I was still up after I won another big hand.

    All is going well, I'm up around ~$1 then I shove JJ on a T984 board - get called off KT and spikes a K. Still fairly happy although slightly annoyed I should be up around $5 instead of being down $1.

    Then a huge hand comes up, I've got a huge fish to the left of me and I've got notes on him being aggro and just spewy. He always buys in deep like me and last time I played with him he called off my nut flush with 2nd pair on the turn.

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11916682

      MP: $2.16 (108 bb)
      Hero (CO): $5.10 (255 bb)
      BTN: $3.76 (188 bb)
      SB: $2.42 (121 bb)
      BB: $2.43 (121.5 bb)
      UTG: $0.92 (46 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

      Flop: ($0.24) Q 7 2 (4 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, 2 folds

      Turn: ($0.56) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.46, BTN calls $0.46

      River: ($1.48) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.08, BTN calls $3.08

      Spoiler:
      Results: $7.64 pot ($0.27 rake)
      Final Board: Q 7 2 7 J
      Hero showed K K and lost (-$3.76 net)
      BTN showed 8 7 and won $7.37 ($3.61 net)



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      This looks super spewy on my part but my feeling is that he pays me off with a Q here, the fact that he called the flop bet with a 7 in a 4 way pot just shows how loose this guy is. People play this differently? I honestly feel happy with this play, just **** that the guy had trips. Guess I got a bit out of control but I hate fish - arrrrghhh.

      Just quit straight after that, mega tilt. Running 10 BI under EV in last 5,000 hands now. :/
      02-19-2012 , 02:22 PM
      I went down 250BB straight away today but carried on and won 5 buyins so a nice profit so far AND I learned how to embed youtube video. AND there is still the night to come!
      02-19-2012 , 02:54 PM
      Well, if I'm going to report on my good month, I guess I better do it before I start losing. OPR finally updated with my 4th place in the $11 shorthanded, and I just cashed a 5-draw tournament, so this is how February looks so far on my 'sushi baby' account:

      NLH: 19 tournaments, 6 times ITM, 1 first place, 184% ROI
      Limit HE: 5 tournaments, 3 times ITM, 2 first places, 188% ROI
      PLO: 3 tournaments, 0 times ITM stupid omaha
      7stud/5draw: 15 tournaments, 9 times ITM, 6 first places, 308% ROI

      The NLH is mostly $11 and the rest is mostly $5. Looking over my recent tourney results, I'm thinking I really need to get a bankroll somewhere that offers HORSE. Limit holdem and 7-stud seem to be what I do best at. I used to play HORSE and 7-game and 10-game all the time at Full Tilt, but there are no mixed games at all at bwin.

            
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