***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 27, 12:52:00 ET 2015
Table Scheila III (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $6.19 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2,3, Hands: 236
Seat 2: Player2 ( $6.19 USD ) - VPIP: 6, PFR: 3, 3B: 6, AF: 1,0, Hands: 64
Seat 3: Player3 ( $1.93 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 93
Seat 4: Hero ( $6.25 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 2,4, Hands: 50357
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 4, AF: 0,0, Hands: 70
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3,5, Hands: 67
Seat 8: Player8 ( $3.55 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 10, AF: 0,0, Hands: 49
Seat 9: Player9 ( $6.40 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 2,0, Hands: 154
Player8 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player9 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 2c 2d ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 8d, 4d ]
Player9 bets [$0.30 USD]
Hero calls [$0.30 USD]
Player5 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
Player9 bets [$0.60 USD]
Hero calls [$0.60 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
Player9 bets [$2.05 USD]
Hero calls [$2.05 USD]
Player9 shows [4c, 4h ]
Player9 wins $6.11 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [2c, 2d ]

I did have a feeling that 44 or 88 was in his range. The pot sized bet on the river and that he didn't squeeze preflop. But as I didn't have many hands on him it seemed like way to specific of a read to put him on the quads since I figured he might also have an overpair here sometimes... and quads is just so rare. What do you think? Is it ever a fold here?

ye now that you have seen quads and felt the pain of losing, you should fold all your full houses in the future.

I assume you also already learned to fold your pocket aces preflop because someone aways sucks out.

I would just raise flop and try to get it in. You have someone behind you as well and the turn isn't going to be pretty a lot of the time, either for you (diamond) or for hands that will pay more on the flop (8x, 99/TT/JJ).

If you played the hand better, you'd have lost a lot more. Stop playing flopped sets passively.

You win hands with flopped sets way more often than you lose them, playing them like this is -EV in the long run.

As the saying goes, if you don't go broke with set over set then you're doing something wrong.

Of course there are considerations but that's one of the better rules of thumb.

Took me a good 5 mins to work out how the title scenario would work...

Uhhh you lose to any 4 and any 8, it's pretty obviously a fold.

Also you need to get up and leave that table, talk about a rock garden.

Agreed, but here he got most of his money in on the river, calling a ~pot sized bet with 22 on a board of 88442.

OP, I think this is frequently a fold. As has been pointed out, you're losing to any 4 and any 8. That includes A8s, A4s, 98s, 54s and a whole bunch of other stuff that may be in V's flatting range from the BB given this is 5NL and there's a smooth call from the CO after your open. To some extent it's irrelevant whether 44 and 88 are in his range.

A bigger problem is how he got to the river without most of the stacks being in. Turn put two flush draws out there and still no raise? Raise flop or raise turn.

Also didn't notice the double paired board, HH wasn't the easiest read. Makes the river a fold IMHO.

Its an easy fold OTR, but if he plays the hand right he gets his stack in OTT at the latest.

TLDR (sorry). Next time try using the hand replayer option when posting. It's pretty nifty

But in general, don't ever be scared of quads. Stacking off with any set on a dry-ish board at NL5 is usually +EV. The exception is if you have a great read.

Don't slowplay sets multiway, especially on flushy boards.
Raise the flop to get value from worse and/or force the FD to fold.
Don't slowplay when you turn a boat. You need to get stacks in vs trips, overpairs, TP, draws.
Fold bottom set on the river on double-paired boards. 22 is crushed by any 8 or 4 on 84248, and 8x and 4x are exactly what villain is repping.

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