This could be a stupid question to most of you but i just want to make sure on it.

We are in a heads up sitngo format both players with 1500 and 100/200 blinds lets say.

We have K-Qo in small blind and raise to 500. Pot is 700, we have 1000 behind. Opponent goes all in, the pot is now 2000 and we have 1000 to call so getting 2-1.

Lets just say we have an excellent read and are sure are opponent is playing this way with most likely A2-A8.

In this case we are only 3-2 underdog so calling getting 2-1 would be correct, right?

But in the long run in this situation if we look at the whole picture again we are getting are money in bad because we are getting even money odds (we can only win 1500 wen we win).

This isn't enough to justify calling with only 40% equity. So how do we fix this problem, clearly we dont fold when we are getting 2-1 oddswhen he pushes. But we are losing money everytime this happens.

any money that you put in before villain shoves would be dead money therefore you only base your calling odds on what you're being immediately offered once he shoves

it'd be correct to call here although this situation should never happen in actual play

Just an example

Do a search in the Small Stakes MTT subforum on "Revised Pushbot Chart", and download Pokerstove so that you know the math, and ranges. If you know he's shoving that, I think fold is in order. The idea is shove first to exploit your fold equity in the hand, and if your called, you're racing.

There is a difference in shoving and calling.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.980% 59.74% 00.24% 343689828 1395336.00 { A8s-A2s }
Hand 1: 40.020% 39.78% 00.24% 228853644 1395336.00 { KQo }


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Yeah...I did a stove on it before posting..Im just abit confused about where to stand, isn't folding incorrect because where getting the right odds? But this situation sees us putting all our chips in getting 1-1 PO with only 40% equity. Thats a clear loss in long run. How do we fix this???

You did not understand the first response, which gave you the answer. Let’s review what happened in the hand.

1. You raise to 500, making the pot 700. That 500 is no longer yours – it’s in the pot, up for grabs.

2. Opponent goes all-in making the pot 2000 and you have 1000 to call.

Now it is decision time for you. With a pot of 2000 and 1000 to call, you are getting 2 to 1 pot odds. If you win, you win the pot of 2000. If you lose, you lose the amount you risked when you make the call decision, in this case the 1000 call. The 500 you put in earlier is not part of THIS decision as far a money that you may lose. With 2 to 1 pot odds and 3 to 2 bet odds, it’s an easy call.

For example- if you played this exact hand 5 times,

2 times you win for a total win of 2 * 2000 = 4000
3 times you lose for a total loss of 3 * 1000= 3000

Net profit over 5 hands = 1000, for and average profit of 200 per hand.

EVall-in call = P(win)*Pot – P(lose)*(Bet) = 0.4*2000 – 0.6*1000 = 800 – 600 = 200

I understand this thanks for explaining it in a clear cut way. The thing im stuck at is this problem:

You say 2 times i win for total 4000 and 3 times i lose for 3000 over 5 hands.

But look at it this way:

Over five hands from the start

2 times i win for a total of 3000.
3 times i lose for a total of 4500


So its a loss of 1500 which is a loss of 300 per hand. Obviously calling is the right play in the situation i described and im not trying to say otherwise. Im simply saying how this situation confuses me. Thanks for the help

You keep viewing the 500 as money belonging to you, but it isn't yours anymore.
You have already put the 500 in the pot and there is no way to stop and take your money back. If you fold you'll still lose the money already put in.

If villain always does this in this particular situation (Shoving for 1500 while you have put in 500 and have 40% equity) you'll lose money indeed. But it was a given fact here that you put in the 500 and therefore you should call his shove. If you knew this was going to happen (If you would know his hand and that he would shove if you raised to 500) you shouldn't make this play but unfortunately this is a game of incomplete information.

I understand this thanks its clearer now that the call is def. correct. Cheers guys